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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...

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Xanthangum · 23/11/2020 08:23

Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) Tweeted:
"We waited some weeks for the BBC to be ready to cover our legal action to protect the legal rights of trans children. And the piece is up and is quite extraordinary. I'm not going to link to it because it is inaccurate and gives space to a transphobic hate group." twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1330758709140729856?s=20

Which I assume refers to this piece:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55015959

And he says this about LGB Alliance, which feels stupidly for a lawyer libellous: The third point is they have quoted the so-called LGB Alliance - a dark money funded astro-turfed hate group - on the healthcare of trans teenagers. What next? Will the BBC be quoting white supremacists on whether sickle cell anaemia should be treated on the NHS?

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HDDD · 23/11/2020 19:19

Yup, he gets wide ranging support (and 10%) from all these crowd funders. The NHS is sacrosanct to so many and taking money off them - well, let's sit back and watch it play out.

RoyalCorgi · 23/11/2020 19:25

The LGBA was founded by people like Simon Fanshawe and Allison Bailey. Quite a stretch to call it an "Astroturf" organisation.

But I suppose once again this is an example of DARVO - TRAs have very dodgy sources of funding, so they accuse their political opponents of having dodgy sources of funding. etc etc.

MaudTheInvincible · 23/11/2020 19:50

TRAs have very dodgy sources of funding, so they accuse their political opponents of having dodgy sources of funding. etc etc.

Yes. Deflect and project, project and deflect.

Lumene · 23/11/2020 20:10

TRAs have very dodgy sources of funding, so they accuse their political opponents of having dodgy sources of funding. etc etc.

Do they? Is there evidence of this?

Tanith · 23/11/2020 20:22

@RoyalCorgi

The LGBA was founded by people like Simon Fanshawe and Allison Bailey. Quite a stretch to call it an "Astroturf" organisation.

But I suppose once again this is an example of DARVO - TRAs have very dodgy sources of funding, so they accuse their political opponents of having dodgy sources of funding. etc etc.

There has been such a concerted attack on LGB Alliance that it made me think they must trying to divert attention away from something else.
HDDD · 23/11/2020 20:44

And now he's appropriating the word tribe...will he get cancelled for that? Probably not

WouldBeGood · 23/11/2020 21:04

Is it a bad idea to engage on Twitter?

WouldBeGood · 23/11/2020 21:15

I’ve found out

MaudTheInvincible · 23/11/2020 21:20

Lumene

Jennifer Bilek on Twitter is pretty good on this twitter.com/bjportraits/status/1330591811035930627?s=20

As far as I understand, much funding comes from people like Martine Rothblatt and Jennifer Pritzker. Also funding from pharmaceutical companies eg. Stryker Corp to Arcus Foundation and then back to Stryker Corp via medical bills. Also, the Kennedy Foundation who tried to denounce JKR in the summer have direct links to Denton's law firm, who are also involved in the Igylo document advising that laws such as self-id should be masked by covering them with popular laws such as marriage equality (Ireland given as an example). Igylo's ex-co chair is Anna Robinson who administers the UK government's LGBT All Party Parliamentary Group.

It's all very murky and incestous imo.

HecatesCats · 23/11/2020 21:24

"If you are a man and the reality of your engagement with equality issues is that you..." actually bother to listen to a woman telling you how she thinks and feels, she is likely a siren or a harpy, or a mad old bat. Run away, run away!

Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...
Winesalot · 23/11/2020 21:27

His latest tweet thread is just continuing the spiraling in. Now anyone who is not down with the youngsters has become their parents, and any husband listening to the females in his life who don’t agree with the youngsters on the issue are without independent thought. Blah blah blah.

Gingernaut · 23/11/2020 21:40

Um. This might get my post deleted, but this cropped up.

Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/11/2020 21:43

@Gingernaut

Um. This might get my post deleted, but this cropped up.
I don't think this speculation is very fair. It is enough to know that he has a personal stake in this, explaining some of his irrational behaviour. It isn't necessary to know or speculate his relationship to this individual.
WeeBisom · 23/11/2020 21:46

His first tweet is that the younger generation is, 'as a rule totally cool with being trans', and that the only people who are 'at odds' with the hip youth are older 'out of touch' people. This does not mesh with my experience at all. I know loads of students and young people who are deeply critical of certain aspects of trans ideology. Only one of my close female friends is really supportive of trans stuff, and even then she is willing to engage and is troubled by gender critical arguments (but ultimately resorts to 'they are vulnerable so it's the nice thing to do.) When you get young people in a physical space and actually let them talk without fear, the consensus seems to be that being trans is fine but things like males in sports, or self-ID law is troubling. So it's a bit of a red herring to make this seem like young people are totally on board.

I actually burst out laughing at his pompous "if you are a man and the reality of your engagement with equality issues is that you do little more than default to the views of a significant woman in your life, that doesn't make you woke, it makes you lazy." Right, Jo, and what kind of man does it make you when you never listen to the views of women, significant or not, ever?

I'm also agog at this white, straight, well educated, able bodied, middle class very privileged dude lecturing us about intersectionality. I"m sorry, but he's a tax lawyer! And he's basically saying you should be suspicious if the people you agree with are from an empowered class - doesn't that undermine the chorus of support from his own followers? If you agree with Jo Maugham that isn't exactly very 'intersectional'.

Also, this talk of 'tribes' is creepy and weird.

He's retweeted a follower who is deeply swayed by the asinine observation that if someone wants to attack a woman in changing rooms they don't need trans rights to dress up as a woman to do so. No, but self-ID greatly facilitates their access to these spaces. It should be possible to challenge a man in a dress in changing rooms. but self-ID actively states that his presence in that space is none of my business. I honestly think these people have their heads in the sand because it's actually deeply unpleasant and disturbing to think about how many perverted men there are out there. I used to know a very sweet, quiet and shy young man from work who...was arrested for filming women on the toilets. He was caught sneaking into an upscale establishment. You would never in a million years have suspected him of such a thing. And yet he had hundreds of these videos which he uploaded online, and he went to ever desperate lengths to capture them. Self-id, and those congratulatory signs on toilets saying someone's identity is none of our business, is an absolute dream for a person like him.

WouldBeGood · 23/11/2020 21:47

It is relevant if true as he is very hot on conflict of interest for others.

Any personal interest in litigation should be declared and open.

OldCrone · 23/11/2020 21:52

@MaudTheInvincible

Lumene

Jennifer Bilek on Twitter is pretty good on this twitter.com/bjportraits/status/1330591811035930627?s=20

As far as I understand, much funding comes from people like Martine Rothblatt and Jennifer Pritzker. Also funding from pharmaceutical companies eg. Stryker Corp to Arcus Foundation and then back to Stryker Corp via medical bills. Also, the Kennedy Foundation who tried to denounce JKR in the summer have direct links to Denton's law firm, who are also involved in the Igylo document advising that laws such as self-id should be masked by covering them with popular laws such as marriage equality (Ireland given as an example). Igylo's ex-co chair is Anna Robinson who administers the UK government's LGBT All Party Parliamentary Group.

It's all very murky and incestous imo.

I first came across the term 'astroturfing' in this article which mentions Pritzker, Arcus etc:

sue-donym.medium.com/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/11/2020 21:59

honestly think these people have their heads in the sand because it's actually deeply unpleasant and disturbing to think about how many perverted men there are out there.

Yes, it's the same version of the "Just World" fallacy that rape apologists fall back on. If anything did happen, they'd wave it away as a rare, isolated incident or try to use gotchas about lesbians and female violence.

HecatesCats · 23/11/2020 22:12

I'm also agog at this white, straight, well educated, able bodied, middle class very privileged dude lecturing us about intersectionality. I"m sorry, but he's a tax lawyer!

So many white middle class dudes happy to call women privileged when it comes to trans rights. Almost as if they've resented women all along 🤔

ArcheryAnnie · 23/11/2020 22:13

@Lumene

TRAs have very dodgy sources of funding, so they accuse their political opponents of having dodgy sources of funding. etc etc.

Do they? Is there evidence of this?

Jennifer Pritzker, right-wing American billionaire, has given millions of dollars to transgender studies (weirdly enough a lot of it to Canada).

The other place Pritzker mainly donates money is, er, the American military.

WouldBeGood · 23/11/2020 22:14

@HecatesCats

I'm also agog at this white, straight, well educated, able bodied, middle class very privileged dude lecturing us about intersectionality. I"m sorry, but he's a tax lawyer!

So many white middle class dudes happy to call women privileged when it comes to trans rights. Almost as if they've resented women all along 🤔

I think this hits the nail on the head
littlbrowndog · 23/11/2020 22:15

Great post weebisom

Honestly the women on here. Are the best. Ever

Following in the trail of past great women who fought this shite.

I never knew all this stuff. And now I feel strong from what I have learnt here.

Keep going 💪💪

nauticant · 23/11/2020 22:27

He's retweeted a follower who is deeply swayed by the asinine observation that if someone wants to attack a woman in changing rooms they don't need trans rights to dress up as a woman to do so.

A QC writes: if people are going to break the law then I'm cool about relaxing it or doing away with it.

PersonaNonGarter · 23/11/2020 22:29

God but Jolyon Maugham is such a tube.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 23/11/2020 22:37

God but Jolyon Maugham is such a tube

Grin Grin Grin

Duckwit · 23/11/2020 22:48

He's retweeted a follower who is deeply swayed by the asinine observation that if someone wants to attack a woman in changing rooms they don't need trans rights to dress up as a woman to do so.

Ah yes the 'look ladies, blokes are gonna rape you anyway so we might as well just let anyone in anywhere and if you are not comfortable with that well I'm afraid that's just tough shit'.

Great, fucking thanks a lot!