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Sexual offender kills paedophile in prison (killer has gender identity disorder)
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CoffeeTeaChocolate · 18/11/2020 16:40

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962437/amp/Paedophile-Richard-Huckle-strangled-stabbed-assaulted-prisoner-court-hears.html

It appears to have been in a male prison. Both killer and victim seems to be horrible people. The killer apparently also had thoughts about killing people and eating them and would have killed more, but had “too much fun” with his victim. He had many issues, among them gender identity disorder, buried in the text towards the end.

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OhHolyJesus · 18/11/2020 16:53

I know the Huckle story, he preyed upon vulnerable children in orphanages through his Church connections in Malaysia.

I'm not sorry he is dead, I do feel for his mother though as she has lost her son from before he was a paedophile.

The indenting disorder thing is really buried in that article.

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Latteatnaptime · 18/11/2020 16:57

So what? Struggling to see the relevance of gender identity.

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ahagwearsapointybonnet · 18/11/2020 17:15

I suppose it's relevant in terms of being another man we really really don't want moved to a women's prison in future if he decides to request it...

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BrassicaRabbit · 18/11/2020 17:20

Are the press dead-naming? I thought it was forbidden? Or is it different if they attack a man? (Not shedding any tears for the victim though).

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yourhairiswinterfire · 18/11/2020 17:20

@ahagwearsapointybonnet

I suppose it's relevant in terms of being another man we really really don't want moved to a women's prison in future if he decides to request it...

Let's hope the women's prison judicial gets sorted pronto.
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SunsetBeetch · 18/11/2020 17:30

@Latteatnaptime

So what? Struggling to see the relevance of gender identity.

It seems to be being used as an excuse?

I'd be horrified if they put this man in a women's prison.
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SunsetBeetch · 18/11/2020 17:32

@BrassicaRabbit

Are the press dead-naming? I thought it was forbidden? Or is it different if they attack a man? (Not shedding any tears for the victim though).

There's nothing to suggest he's transitioned or intends to. At least not yet.
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CoffeeTeaChocolate · 18/11/2020 17:40

I am just very uncomfortable with male born sexual predators (and murderers) who claim to have a gender identity disorder. Regardless of whether this is one of many disorders (as it appears to be here) or something that is claimed as a defence, there seem to be a number of violent sexual predators who claim a gender identity disorder.

I doubt these people will be miraculously model citizens once transitioned (if they actually do transition) and I don’t want them to self ID into women’s spaces, be included in female crime statistics or be locked up in women’s prisons.

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Swisscheesemodel · 18/11/2020 17:57

I'm uncomfortable with prisoners murdering other prisoners.

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CoffeeTeaChocolate · 18/11/2020 18:25

It goes without saying that it is horrific when prisoners murder other prisoners.

But we are constantly being told that there is no problem with self ID and that there is no evidence that self ID trans women have a different offending rate to biological females.

And then this lovely specimen pops up. I am in no way saying that this is all trans women. I believe that many here know very kind individuals. But I fail to see how anyone can read about the person in the article and not think that there may be a problem with self ID (and indeed with some people who purports to live as women in order to get a GRC).

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gardenbird48 · 18/11/2020 18:31

@CoffeeTeaChocolate

I am just very uncomfortable with male born sexual predators (and murderers) who claim to have a gender identity disorder. Regardless of whether this is one of many disorders (as it appears to be here) or something that is claimed as a defence, there seem to be a number of violent sexual predators who claim a gender identity disorder.

I doubt these people will be miraculously model citizens once transitioned (if they actually do transition) and I don’t want them to self ID into women’s spaces, be included in female crime statistics or be locked up in women’s prisons.

I think you'd be right to be uncomfortable with that and the women whose prison they end up in would be also.

This seems to sum up the problem, the Gender Identity/Trans issue rests entirely on the word of the individual, so there is no way at all to ascertain their motivations (unless you're the person in Ireland who shouts from the rooftops about their intentions and still gets put into a women's prison but hey).

Violent convicted criminals are maybe more likely to take advantage of any possibility to improve or influence their situation so why is anyone in their right mind allowing them to self id into women's prisons?

Obviously this criminal is not at that point yet but if he has stated GI issues, presumably that is not an impossible development.
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Skyliner001 · 18/11/2020 18:53

@CoffeeTeaChocolate

I am just very uncomfortable with male born sexual predators (and murderers) who claim to have a gender identity disorder. Regardless of whether this is one of many disorders (as it appears to be here) or something that is claimed as a defence, there seem to be a number of violent sexual predators who claim a gender identity disorder.

I doubt these people will be miraculously model citizens once transitioned (if they actually do transition) and I don’t want them to self ID into women’s spaces, be included in female crime statistics or be locked up in women’s prisons.

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Skyliner001 · 18/11/2020 18:54

Sorry dozed off for a second with your GC drum beating. Missing the point much?

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SunsetBeetch · 18/11/2020 19:13

@Skyliner001

Sorry dozed off for a second with your GC drum beating. Missing the point much?

What is the point, Skyliner?
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ErrolTheDragon · 18/11/2020 19:19

Bloody hell.
What I'd take from that is that there are some vile, violent sexual abusers.
Some of them are, or pretend to be, Christian.
Others are, or pretend to be, suffering from 'gender identity' disorders.
No doubt there are others with all manner of excuses and duplicity.

The only thing in common apart from their crimes is their sex.

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ImaSababa · 18/11/2020 19:35

One less nonce in the world is fine by me.

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NotTerfNorCis · 18/11/2020 20:09

I don't think Huckle was trans. Maybe this was one of his paraphilias.

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SunsetBeetch · 18/11/2020 20:26

@NotTerfNorCis

I don't think Huckle was trans. Maybe this was one of his paraphilias.

Not Huckle, the prisoner who killed him.
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BananaPop2020 · 18/11/2020 20:30

@Swisscheesemodel I’m with you.

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OhHolyJesus · 18/11/2020 21:27

I think the OP is right to be wary.

It might be that the killer has multiple personalities as his identity disorder or he might identify as the opposite sex.

If the latter, as is well proven by now, what with specific campaigns being set up to not record men's crimes as committed by women and the Keep Prisons Single Sex campaign, men can just Self ID into women's prisons.

Violent crime is overwhelmingly committed by men so this man in particular could say he was a woman and be moved into a prison with women, maybe even one with a mother and baby unit.

It's not an unreasonable concern to have and I share it too.

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LaValliere · 18/11/2020 21:36

I read this story - it did strike me that the killer (who garrotted his victim & expressed an interest in eating him) did not appear be channeling what might be described as the more traditional, stereotypical feminine qualities.

He’s obviously highly disturbed. What baffles me most is how he managed to acquire the various weapons he used. It does not speak well of prison security- and surely he was known to be a danger?

Obviously he should not be in a women’s prison.

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BananaPop2020 · 18/11/2020 22:10

Just to be clear, men cannot ‘self ID’ into the female prison estate. It is a lot more involved than that.

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CaraDuneRedux · 18/11/2020 23:10

@BananaPop2020

Just to be clear, men cannot ‘self ID’ into the female prison estate. It is a lot more involved than that.

I dunno, it seemed to work that way for Karen White. Of course he was eventually moved back to a men's prison, AFTER he'd sexually assaulted two female prisoners.

(Note to those with trigger happy report fingers: Justine MN herself confirmed to me that it's okay to use male pronouns for convicted rapists.)
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BananaPop2020 · 19/11/2020 01:11

That was 3 years ago and these decisions are subject to serious scrutiny. There is a a whole set of procedures in place.

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