Sexual offender kills paedophile in prison (killer has gender identity disorder)

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962437/amp/Paedophile-Richard-Huckle-strangled-stabbed-assaulted-prisoner-court-hears.html

It appears to have been in a male prison. Both killer and victim seems to be horrible people. The killer apparently also had thoughts about killing people and eating them and would have killed more, but had “too much fun” with his victim. He had many issues, among them gender identity disorder, buried in the text towards the end.

@BananaPop2020

Just to be clear, men cannot ‘self ID’ into the female prison estate. It is a lot more involved than that.

Then how did the rapist Karen White end up in a woman's prison?

@Skyliner001

Sorry dozed off for a second with your GC drum beating. Missing the point much?

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@BananaPop2020

Just to be clear, men cannot ‘self ID’ into the female prison estate. It is a lot more involved than that.

You mean like the ‘extensive and humiliating procedures’ required to obtain a GRC that are nothing of the sort and considerably less than those imposed on disabled people applying for PIP. Or the effort involved in being considered a women on public boards in Scotland (they are not allowed to ask for any evidence). Or the action required by a man who wants his crimes recorded as by a women (he just tells the police he identifies as a woman). I know TRAs like to pretend there is more involved and so it is all fine/nothing to see for female prisoners but that is not the case.

It’s easy to look up the MoJ policy and procedure on this. As for Karen White, thankfully lessons were learnt from that, and as I said, the scrutiny level is high.

BananaPop2020, oh, so that’s fine then. Women prisoners (many of whom are survivors of sexual violence) forced to share communal showers with a penis toting male body who self IDs as female will be so relieved to know there has been “scrutiny”. That will make traumatised rape victims feel so much better, won’t it.

@BananaPop2020

It’s easy to look up the MoJ policy and procedure on this. As for Karen White, thankfully lessons were learnt from that, and as I said, the scrutiny level is high.

Good.

But the trans activists are still pushing for self ID/relaxation of criteria for GRC in the U.K., so there's no room for complacency.
And the safeguards which may apply in England and Wales don't apply in many other countries.

Oh brilliant Bananapop, so what is the procedure now then?
It would be great to have one less thing to worry about

The people responding to me in a blunt manner need to redirect their anger. I am certainly not an activist of any sort, I am just highlighting the current status quo. I do speak from a place of knowledge though, as I have been involved in the process. @ErrolTheDragon if I was tech savvy enough to send the link, I would do!

Anything less than a policy or “are they male (no one can change sex)? If yes then they go to a men’s prison” is a disgusting betrayal of women, puts incredible vulnerable women at risk, ignores their privacy and dignity, inflicts trauma on already traumatised women.

But tell be BananaPop2020 how many women’s groups (genuine ones with no ‘trans-inclusive conditions attached to their funding) were consulted in drawing up these guidelines? How much consideration is given to the feelings and safety of women’s prisoners? Where do you think the man who drew up the Scottish Policy now is?

I have no idea, as I said I am not an activist of any sort. Perhaps you should re-read my last message.

What's the point in having sex segregation in prisons if "people with penises" are put in the "people without penises" prison?

You don't need to be tech savvy to send a link, BananaPop. Just copy and paste - or type it in. It would be genuinely useful to know exactly what document you're referring to.

I will have a look in a sec

In the interim have a look at Prison Reform Trust for useful information

I would hope that the MoJ have ended their practice of 'consulting" with self interested trans groups about where to place trans prisoners. Or perhaps they have introduced meeting with special interest groups to advise on where to place all prisoners according to their protected characteristic? (Like hell they have....)

The press are allowed to "deadname" when a trans"woman" kills a man because if they were accurate in their reporting, people would realise; this is a man, who thinks like a twisted man, with full man strength and certainly someone who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near vulnerable women.

They don't want to challenge the "any man who claims to be trans suddenly develops the mindset and strength of a woman" bs propaganda.

I've no sympathy for the pervert who got killed but the person who enjoyed torturing him to death is a very dangerous man and should be treated as such.

What is the point, Skyliner?

@persistentwoman

I would hope that the MoJ have ended their practice of 'consulting" with self interested trans groups about where to place trans prisoners. Or perhaps they have introduced meeting with special interest groups to advise on where to place all prisoners according to their protected characteristic? (Like hell they have....)

I think it went further than that. In Scotland it was the trans group that wrote the policy. With the help of an individual later convicted of possessing thousands of images of child abuse.

@BananaPop2020

Just to be clear, men cannot ‘self ID’ into the female prison estate. It is a lot more involved than that.

There’s a person in prison in Ireland, who has even proclaimed they want to rape and kill women housed with females, who got their GRC via self ID, they haven’t even got gender dysphoria - does that not count as self IDing into women’s prison?

Of all the topics to strike a nerve and become "controversial" with the usual crowd here, it's a bit concerning that the topic involving a murderer and pedophile is the one they're choosing to derail and defend so aggressively.

OP, I share your thoughts and concerns. This is just further confirmation of how sinister and dangerous self-id can potentially become. We have no way of telling who is genuine in their beliefs and who is just as unstable as this man. Hopefully, with enough awareness brought to these issues, we can prevent males like this being thrown into female prisons.

“The freelance photographer, from Ashford in Kent, targeted vulnerable youngsters while volunteering in orphanages in Malaysia and Cambodia.
Huckle had first visited South-East Asia on a gap year aged 19 and returned masquerading as a teacher and respectable Christian to infiltrate small and impoverished communities.”
What is it? “No-one would go to all that bother surely, don’t be silly now“ or something like that

@EyesOpening firstly, these is a different Probation system operating in Ireland so I cannot comment. Secondly, if we are are talking about self ID in the most fundamental sense, ie, saying “I am a woman” , and expecting that to carry weight, then clearly that is not adequate. If someone has got a GRC that alters the situation somewhat.