Canada - Judge delays double mastectomy

[Dimpsey]

Saw this on twitter and thought I would share: vancouversun.com/news/b-c-supreme-court-judge-orders-surgeon-to-deny-trans-teens-mastectomy-wish?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604974077

Mother of the child asking the surgeons to provide evidence of the protocol they have followed to demonstrate that the operation is in the child's best interests.

That is very interesting.

It would be nice to see some institutional pushback over this in Canada. More and more this sort of thing seems to fall to the judiciary, because political types won't touch it, or make it toxic. The judiciary doesn't always have the tools to deal with it though.

The comments are frightening, insisting that the teen is a boy. Won't need a double mastectomy then, will he?

'“She says removing the breasts of her daughter are not in the best interest of her,”

NO SHIT.

'A.M. said she couldn’t reveal a lot of details about the teen because it could inadvertently identify her but said she had been depressed and anxious and had been taking antidepressants.

“She needs psychotherapy,” A.M. said. “I would like her to be referred to a non-biased psychiatrist.”

to this mother and her daughter.

Those comments pull no punches. The accusations against the mother are something else!!!

Tbh it sounds like a sad case. The teen doesn't live with their parents. And I expect most teens would only be made more determined by court intervention!
Wonder what the details will show up.

It makes me really bead reading this as a mum to 2 young girls, the older one who is particularly into what would be classed as typically "boys" activities (even at age 2 a nursery said she "wasn't very girly", because you know, she liked building blocks ).

Hearing that this mum wanted to have her child see an impartial doctor also makes me nervous for the fact that unfortunately, lots of fantastic psychiatrists are being hounded out of their jobs by activists if they dare to question whether this treatment is right for children. Eg. This doctor, who a colleague has worked with and said was fantastic in her job (but had to leave after speaking out): www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5642577/amp/NHS-sex-change-drugs-putting-hundreds-children-risk-year.html

*really sad not really bead!

Well it's only a stay of execution of one month although there may be another legal challenge to follow.

It's truly tragic.

One can only surmise from the limited information provided, but the teen doesn't live with either parent. I can't find the relevant article but there is evidence of a disproportionate number of children in care/looked after children changing gender (in Canada) with concurrent accusations of abuse/inadequate psychological support.

Very sad. I still find it incredible that we live in an age where it is thought appropriate to do this to young people, ruining their health and bodies forever.

even at age 2 a nursery said she "wasn't very girly

I also find this incredible although it appears to be relatively common these days. Judging small children in this way.

When DD1 went to a lovely pre-school I signed up for weekly parent duty. It reduced the cost but also I really enjoyed it.
I loved observing the children and seeing how they played and what with.

I don't recall any toys/activities that were what one might call gendered. Yes there was a dress up area but it was all about fun and imagination, no one drew inferences from which children wanted to dress up or the outfits they chose. Apart from that there was always an art activity, outside activities (DD learnt to pedal a trike), nature activities, games, stories, you get the picture.

In no way was anyone expecting or looking for different choices based on the sex of the child or making judgements regarding their choices. That was about twenty years ago.
When the hell did people forget all prior knowledge of child development and start dishing out "boy toys/girl toys" and making wrong conclusions based on a child's preferences.

My short term memory is appalling! I don't recall seeing a contentious comment worthy of deletion up thread.

Transgender people, of all ages, deserve suitable healthcare. Gaslighting a trans child that they are not trans is every bit as evil as gaslighting a non-trans child that they are trans. It is conversion therapy, whatever way you cut it.

According to the article, the parents have been "separated" from this child for over 16 years, since the child was 6 MONTHS OLD. Why is no-one on this board questioning why that would be the case?

This board starts with the assumptions that "trans=bad" and that no child can be trans unless they are coerced, and willingly overlooks anything that might disrupt this forgone conclusion, even possible parental abuse.

I'm not suggesting that the correct course of action in this case is simple or even obvious, but anyone that thinks they are being fair-minded here needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

No idea why my comment was deleted. I was showing empathy for the mom who was trying to stop the surgery.

Trans people of all ages are not hard to find, you might have to venture a bit further afield than mumsnet though.

I mean, I'm trans, and I was a child once.

According to the article, the parents have been "separated" from this child for over 16 years, since the child was6 MONTHS OLD. Why is no-one on this board questioning why that would be the case?

Do the posters who think the mother should have any say in this think the mother should be able to prevent the young person having an abortion or using prescription hormonal contraception,?

@Delphinium20

No idea why my comment was deleted. I was showing empathy for the mom who was trying to stop the surgery.

If the mother was trying to stop an abortion would you be empathising with her.

I am very uncomfortable at parents being able to stop medical treatment.

@MadBadDaddy

Transgender people, of all ages, deserve suitable healthcare. Gaslighting a trans child that they are not trans is every bit as evil as gaslighting a non-trans child that they are trans. It is conversion therapy, whatever way you cut it.

According to the article, the parents have been "separated" from this child for over 16 years, since the child was 6 MONTHS OLD. Why is no-one on this board questioning why that would be the case?

This board starts with the assumptions that "trans=bad" and that no child can be trans unless they are coerced, and willingly overlooks anything that might disrupt this forgone conclusion, even possible parental abuse.

I'm not suggesting that the correct course of action in this case is simple or even obvious, but anyone that thinks they are being fair-minded here needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

The article says that the parents separated when the child was 5 months old, not that the child hadn't lived with either parent since age 5 months. Clearly the situation is difficult and complex, but isn't a higher rate of childhood trauma in a child presenting with dysphoria all the more reason to give them access to more psychological support before irreversible surgery?

According to the article, the parents have been "separated" from this child for over 16 years, since the child was 6 MONTHS OLD. Why is no-one on this board questioning why that would be the case?

You appear to have misinterpreted the article. It states that the parents separated when the child was five months old, not that they separated from the child.

"The teen doesn’t live with the mother or the father, who separated when S.B. was five months old."

Or at least wait until they are old enough to vote?

Why is no-one on this board questioning why that would be the case?

Because we get deleted for speculation or generalisations.

I pointed out that the child was not living with their parents in my post but I presume you didn't bother reading the full thread.

Apologies Fanny, I posted at the same time!

Well at least two of us read the whole article Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud