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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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Butterer · 12/11/2020 16:57

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KittyValentine · 12/11/2020 17:08

@PotholeParadies

I am not clicking anything by the Daily Dot, but I assume it's Valens again.

Valens was all over twitter talking about h* "breeding kink" and h* fantasies of "spit-roasting" women with other transwomen, and the tweet explicitly mentioned "gender critical" women in the context of this.

Ana Valens who fantasised about creating breeding facilities where transwomen violently raped ‘cis’ women!

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-journalist-fantasizes-about-trans-girls-violently-raping-women/

PotholeParadies · 12/11/2020 17:09

Valens went on to use sexually aggresive language (I'm sure you all know what I mean here) to women on twitter who objected, including a coterie of 15-17 girls, i.e. underage.

Valens remains uncancelled and retains the position of writer at the Daily Dot.

Fascinating contrast, isn't it?

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2020 17:14

Ana Valens seems perfectly well balanced and not at all scary.

Meanwhile, this call for subs to a zine on the statue reminds feminists they should always be inclusive:

Call for Contributions for zine: Re-Designing the Mary Wollstonecraft Statue
Recently, there has been a lot of chatter about the newly unveiled statue of Mary Wollstonecraft in North London. The statue is of course long overdue as it has been 200 years since her untimely death and a result of a long and arduous ten year campaign to have the writer and philosopher’s contributions to feminist thought and actions remembered. She has served as an inspiration to many for her determination to promote education and rights for women; opening a girls boarding school at just 25 years of age. However, we note that the decision to manifest a (highly expensive) statue of ‘every woman’ rather than of her specifically, and the physical manifestation of this ‘every woman’ as a naked person on top of what looks a bit like a silver wave, is not welcome. This has come as a disappointment and a shock to those involved in donating to the £143,300 fund that could make her image a reality. While we acknowledge representation is a small achievement for ensuring the rights of women and girls, it is part of a larger spectrum of measures that seek to dismantle the hegemonic dominance of male thought and action represented across our cities.
After seeing the silver statue, our first thought was that we wanted to make some clothes for Mary, and to give her a hat! But alas, we live in the North East and it’s not safe for us to travel down South to put those clothes on her. We’ve seen photos of Mary wearing a cape made of face masks, so we’re glad to see that others had similar ideas to us. There are no faster workers than angry women after all.
With this zine-project, we take a feminist approach to the reproduction of the statue, giving artists and non-artists alike the chance to re-design Mary’s statue. We particularly want to welcome design fictions of what this statue could be in alternative futures. Using the existing statue as a starting point, how would you alter, adapt, de-construct, or re-construct this silver wave of the ‘every woman’? How would you best respect the legacy that Mary has provided in material form, using the existing statue as a starting point?
We are looking for 1-page contributions reflecting on, designing-with, or thinking-with Mary Wolstencraft’s feminist thinking through creative practice based on the new statue. This may look like essays, design fictions, poems, sketches of clothes, or other visual de-constructions of the statue. Some topics you may want to cover might include, but should not be limited to:
Potentials for clothing the statue - with links to fashion history, feminist discourse, or cyberpunk alternatives that bring the past into the future
What does it mean to have a statue of ‘every woman’ given the diversity and multiplicities of femininity and women’s experiences? And how can visual reproductive techniques be useful in expressing polyvocality and multiplicity?
If you live in London and have a safe way of visiting the statue in-person, we would of course also welcome photo-essays of your direct (though non-destructive and respectful) alterations to the statue itself.
While we regret having to make this clear, we very clearly want to state that this is an explicitly trans-inclusive project. We state this as we note that frequently a nude female form is taken as a canvas for promoting trans-exclusionary arguments about what constitutes being a ‘woman’; we do not wish to promote these dog-whistles in any way. We as such will not accept any work for this project that promotes trans-exclusionary arguments.
Submission, deadlines, and next steps:
By the 1st of December 2020, please submit a 1-page pdf document in A4 format to us via e-mail (both to [email protected] and to [email protected]). Please make sure to cite any images you are using. Please also ensure you put your name(s) (or any pseudonyms you wish to be published under), affiliations, contact details, etc. onto the submission pdf as you would like to see it published
We may come back to you with some comments about how your contribution could be further developed prior to publication
We will collate these submissions into a finished zine, with a cover-page, introductory section, and back-cover
The finished zine will be made publicly available as a free, downloadable pdf online
Depending on interest, we may also create a physical print version of the finished zine, selling it at-cost or with all proceeds going to contemporary feminist organisers
We are really excited to see what you come up with and want to say thank you in advance for contributing to this zine!
In feminist solidarity,
Angelika Strohmayer and Rosanna Bellini

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2020 17:15
  • from 'The Centre for Gender History, University of Glasgow''s facebook, should anyone wish to submit.
ArabellaScott · 12/11/2020 17:16

Sorry about the wall of text, it's how it appeared. Those big fancy words take up a lot of pixels. Also note they are not offering any form of recompense and don't mention copyright, as I'd usually expect on a CFS.

PotholeParadies · 12/11/2020 17:20

Women aren't allowed to centre themselves in their own social justice movement.

Can you imagine the pushback if a pair of kind, inclusive black academics said they wanted their zine to be transracially inclusive?

Butterer · 12/11/2020 17:21

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Butterer · 12/11/2020 17:22

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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 17:24

Women arent allowed anything these days.

Butterer · 12/11/2020 17:26

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Butterer · 12/11/2020 17:40

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ArabellaScott · 12/11/2020 17:47

Oh, butterer, I'm really sorry. Flowers

PotholeParadies · 12/11/2020 17:47

Butterer

((Mumsnet hugs)) It's so unfair, isn't it.

KittyValentine · 12/11/2020 17:55

Butterer, so sorry Flowers

Butterer · 12/11/2020 17:59

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 12/11/2020 18:10

Butterer, that is the most beautiful image, with the candles. Simple and breathtaking. I'm sorry to read about your experience. Men like that have got away with so much for too long. To hell with them. Sending love and solidarity to you.

ArabellaScott, that zine article lifted my spirits, then crashed them down when I read we very clearly want to state that this is an explicitly trans-inclusive project.

Why? Just why? Why can't women have any-bloody-thing of our own? A monument to an inspiring feminist, but we mustn't centre women.

msflibble · 12/11/2020 18:11

I'm angry about this utter shit on so many levels.
Why does MW have to represent "Everywoman" anyway? She wasn't everywoman, she was herself, and she deserves to have a commemoration that doesn't reduce her to some banal waifish pornstar-like figure and instead focuses on her specific achievements and talents. We don't see male public figures getting reduced to bland, hackneyed tropes of "everyman", they are allowed to be portrayed warts and all, in all their complexity.
And anyway, if Hambling was going to design an Everywoman, that's nothing like the average woman. The female people I know who look similar are generally either adolescents or have eating disorders.
Hambling even said it's not a statue of Wollstonecraft, it's just a statue for her. Well what's the fucking point of that then? The project was supposed to even up the amount of female public figures depicted in statuary and it's not even doing that because that's not even supposed to be MW herself.
The idea that this represents a break from tradition is laughable, sculptors have been making models of idealised women with their tits out for thousands of years. Venus de Milo anyone?
The whole thing is a fucking joke, I hope it gets vandalised beyond repair, preferably melted with a flamethrower into a silvery puddle, and replaced with something that gives MW the recognition and dignity her legacy deserves.

msflibble · 12/11/2020 18:21

And honestly, out and about with little girls who see hundreds of images of semi naked women with fuck-me eyes sprawled across billboards or on tv, wouldn't it have been amazing to have a statue of a clothed woman so you can show your kids that women can be tough and complex and interesting without taking their kit off?
I'm just fucking incandescent with rage over this shitty statue and the assorted twats and morons who thought it was a good idea

Butterer · 12/11/2020 18:22

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HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 18:25

Butterer Thanks

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 12/11/2020 18:40

Butterer SadFlowers

Cismyfatarse · 12/11/2020 18:59

At work today, chatting about the statue, I found myself telling a colleague who was looking at the statue on her phone, "zoom in on the pubes" which is not something I thought I works say at work.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 12/11/2020 19:17

Arabella

'in feminist solidarity' - snort.

twoHopes · 12/11/2020 19:42

Absolutely predictable response from the ivory towers above.

"We're looking for ideas to rethink the statue of the radical feminist thinker Mary Wollstonecraft. But nothing too radical please. Nothing disrespectful. Nothing that might offend anyone or go against the accepted mantras. And don't you dare try to make any kind of connection between a female body and what constitutes a woman. Oh and only go and visit the statue if it's safe!"

Oh bore off. Revolutionaries you ain't.