There's a WOMAN in the White House (nearly)

[ReallyRatherNerdy]

Finding this very emotional. Dancing round the kitchen. Anyone else?

The naïveté in this thread towards Biden/Harris and Biden’s well established ties to the trans lobby is disheartening, to say the least.

Biden specifically said he is fine with an 8 year old declaring to be transgender during his town hall appearance last month. Biden was heavily involved in the US Dept of Education guidelines (the infamous “Dear Colleague” letter) saying trans people should be able to compete in sports based on gender identity, not sex. His own foundation, The Biden Foundation, are major advocates for the transitioning children and teaching trans ideology in public schools— go to their website and see for yourself. He, his wife and his late son Beau are close friends with Sarah McBride, a transwoman whom they consider “one of the family” and have been pushing McBride up the Delaware political ladder for years.

For all its faults, the Trump administration has been instrumental in protecting girls’ rights under Title IX via the Dept of Justice‘s support of the lawsuits brought by female athletes. A DOJ Under Biden will most certainly drop their support of these suits.

This is very bad news for the rights of women and girls. Anyone arguing otherwise, that Biden/Harris will bring normalcy and sound judgment to this issue, is simply, flat out wrong. This is absolutely about the redefinition of “woman” and the removal of sex based rights.

👆yes this...

FrankieSezRelax

Thanks for some sanity. I come here to lurk from time to time and thought I was in the wrong place. Biden/Harris is a disaster for women.

I don't think it's a good thing for women, I think it's the lesser of two evils.

Trump, by the way, is an alleged serial sex offender

@HecatesCats

Trump, by the way, is an alleged serial sex offender

So is Biden, if you believe Tara Reade.

The only hope when it comes to the legality of the US version of the Equality Act, ironically enough, rests with the conservative US Supreme Court. But that will take years to work its way up the courts.

@FrankieSezRelax

The naïveté in this thread towards Biden/Harris and Biden’s well established ties to the trans lobby is disheartening, to say the least.

Biden specifically said he is fine with an 8 year old declaring to be transgender during his town hall appearance last month. Biden was heavily involved in the US Dept of Education guidelines (the infamous “Dear Colleague” letter) saying trans people should be able to compete in sports based on gender identity, not sex. His own foundation, The Biden Foundation, are major advocates for the transitioning children and teaching trans ideology in public schools— go to their website and see for yourself. He, his wife and his late son Beau are close friends with Sarah McBride, a transwoman whom they consider “one of the family” and have been pushing McBride up the Delaware political ladder for years.

For all its faults, the Trump administration has been instrumental in protecting girls’ rights under Title IX via the Dept of Justice‘s support of the lawsuits brought by female athletes. A DOJ Under Biden will most certainly drop their support of these suits.

This is very bad news for the rights of women and girls. Anyone arguing otherwise, that Biden/Harris will bring normalcy and sound judgment to this issue, is simply, flat out wrong. This is absolutely about the redefinition of “woman” and the removal of sex based rights.

Why's him being a friend of Sarah McBride a problem? What she's supposed to have done to warrant it being a bad thing to be a family friend of, or being in office?

Supposing Trump had been re-elected. Would leading Democrats actually have moved away from trans ideology by 2024? Would we be facing a 2024 election with the Democrats just as embroiled in that, but also with abortion rights having been removed in the mean time? That seems like a worse situation than what we've got now. Or would they have somehow moved beyond that in that time so be a better bet then? Would abortion rights ever get to come back?

@HecatesCats

I don't think it's a good thing for women, I think it's the lesser of two evils.

This is my view too. Sadly it was a straight choice between abortion rights and women's sport.

And yes, Biden is creepy in his interactions with women.

I know about the Biden allegations, I think he's awful. I think Trump's awful. It think it's a shitty state of affairs.

@Quaagars

McBride is the former spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign, the group who redefined vaginas as the genitalia of trans women and “front holes” as the genitalia of females. The HRC is one of the largest, most well-funded trans lobbying group in the US. McBride has certainly been influencing the Bidens, both Joe as veep and Beau when he was attorney general, towards trans benefitting policies that diminish women’s rights— they’ve publicly said as much. It’s not that the Bidens or anyone else can’t have trans friends or relatives, it’s McBride’s advocacy with the HRC that raises eyebrows.

A woman of colour, no less!

[quote FrankieSezRelax]@Quaagars

McBride is the former spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign, the group who redefined vaginas as the genitalia of trans women and “front holes” as the genitalia of females. The HRC is one of the largest, most well-funded trans lobbying group in the US. McBride has certainly been influencing the Bidens, both Joe as veep and Beau when he was attorney general, towards trans benefitting policies that diminish women’s rights— they’ve publicly said as much. It’s not that the Bidens or anyone else can’t have trans friends or relatives, it’s McBride’s advocacy with the HRC that raises eyebrows.[/quote]
Oh gosh, that is such a nightmare. I’m so disappointed that it has come to this - terrible for them and as a pp said, it won’t helpful for our situation in the U.K. either. I guess we’ll just have to dig our heels in harder and keep pushing back until it works.

Rock American Women. Hard Place

If it's possible to separate the person as a symbol from their politics, then yes, KH's achievement should be celebrated by all women. It's been a long time coming.

In terms of the politics, their victory is wafer thin at a state level. The republicans were highly motivated and mobilised a huge amount of extra voters. Ignore the popular vote, the electoral college is what counts.

The Dems have lost congressional seats this election. That's a massive fail. They have an uphill battle to try to get hold of the senate. Without both houses, they have really very limited powers. The race for the senate will start immediately, with 2 seats up for grabs by vote off in January, and then the main congressional and some senate seats up for grabs in 2022. A load of radical, women-hating policies will just turn floating voters back to the Republicans again, and they must know this. If they don't, then they will lose both houses in 2022, and it will be a lame duck administration until 2024. Being Vice President of an administration that failed before it even got going will not likely result in a KH presidential run in 2024. If the Dems don't recognise this, then they really have no political nouse, and don't deserve to be in power.

Just out of interest, what women's groups/lobby groups fighting against gender politics are prominent in the US?

I recommend looking up the case of trans prisoner Kosilek and Kosilek's crime and what the HRC did in the 90s re surgery.

Harris on trans prisoner surgery as Attorney General:

www.washingtonblade.com/2019/01/21/harris-takes-full-responsibility-for-briefs-against-surgery-for-trans-inmates/

Maybe it will give us some interesting cases to cite al la Yaniv and the waxed balls? If the US brings in self id then surely there will some terrible abuses in the courts. They seem to have some very extreme people over there.

I agree with everybody who have said that unfortunately the women politicians have really disappointed me in this area and I feel no pleasure seeing a woke woman enter the White House.

Well I am very please about KH, no matter what her gender politics. Ultimately , so what if the first woman with power in the White House doesn't have views you or I approve of? The point is that politicians should be representative of the people they serve, and have over 200 years of only men at the top is NOT representative of the U.S population.
So, she's first. She won't be the last. One day we might have equal representation, this is a first step towards women taking their place at the table.

Look, American women have had a really hard time pushing back against the trans lobby, because that's immediately put them into the Trump camp. You couldn't have made a rational argument against the noisy pushback against Trump and been listened to by the left. But he's now history. The Dems need moderate, non partisan, and dare I say it, white women's votes more than any other group. If American women can mobilise quickly and say to Biden, you got our vote this time, but you won't fool me twice and I will not vote for you in 2022, when you really need me to get the senate and any hope of future power, then there is a chance to role this back, or at least ensure that any enhanced trans rights are met with an equal amount of enhanced women's rights.

Biden doesn’t care about threats from women voters because, if he indeed becomes president, he’ll only make it through one term. He isn’t concerned with reelection or a red House or Senate. That’s Pelosi’s job. Supposing there is opposition or gridlock on policies that Biden’s backers want passed and he’ll just sign off on it through an Executive Order.

The Dem party, OTOH, should be terrified at the increased minority support for Trump over this last election. His support among Latinos, LGB, black men AND black women (doubled from 2016), and white women is not the outcome they publicly predicted (Lord knows what their internal polling showed though.) But the Dems are arrogant and still believe they can simply shame any centrist/liberal/leftist opposition by claiming those groups are aligned with Trumpism. That boogeyman is not going away.

CaraDuneRedux

HecatesCats

I don't think it's a good thing for women, I think it's the lesser of two evils.

This is my view too. Sadly it was a straight choice between abortion rights and women's sport.

Have you both taken a look at the ‘Forensic Medicine Bill Scotland’ thread?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4072792-Forensic-medicine-Bill-Scotland

How the hell do you explain that the proposed travesty of rape victims being forced to be intimately examined based on gender and not sex - which is the natural conclusion of the Biden/Harris removal of sex to gender - is the lesser of two evils?

It is utterly evil.

" I repeat: Can you think of ANY law that gives Government power over
MEN'S bodies?"

K. Harris, interrogator.

Thin the Forensic Medicine Bill Scotland is utterly evil. I agree. (As is the "criminalise dissent even within the privacy of people's own homes" bill - shades of the East German Stasi).

But Scotland, as far as I know, is not planning on removing women's right to abortion. So one can oppose the FMB without throwing one's lot in with mad anti-abortionist, forced-birther types. And the election we're discussing did not take place in Scotland.

Sadly, that choice was not available to American women voters. Their choice was stark: screw over some women (sportswomen, women in prison, women in need of refuges) or screw over all women of reproductive age or younger.

That's a really good thread by Allison Bailey, but surely by now Biden and Harris will have chosen their advisers and decided who they will - and won't - listen to?

I asked a few pages back what the plan for resistance looked like because I have no sense of what form it can take and who's going to lead on it.

The time for these conversations was before the election:
'Joe and Kamala, we badly want you to win but we cannot support this. It is a terrible idea and it will harm women.'
Did anyone say this to them? Maybe some women did, I certainly hope so. But I have a bad feeling we were all too afraid of the Christian Right accusations.

McBride is the former spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign, the group who redefined vaginas as the genitalia of trans women and “front holes” as the genitalia of females

OK, fair enough, that's horrible if so, but do you have a source where they said that?
Not disbelieving but things are always just claimed on here as fact without any source, and when someone asks nobody can ever back it up.
Just expected to blindly agree with what anyone says.

your other bit they’ve publicly said as much
What does that mean (genuinely not being goady, they did say or they said as much?
As there's a difference
Just trying to get the full picture as I didn't know.

Their choice was stark: screw oversomewomen (sportswomen, women in prison, women in need of refuges any girls or women wanting privacy, safety and dignity in changing rooms, any women of reproductive age who wants to keep their job, any woman who wants to be seen by a same sex health professional, and woman who doesn't want to be patted down by a man at the airport, any woman who wants medical treatment to be tailored to her sex, any woman who wants protective equipment designed to fit her, any girls or women who want to be able to play sport for leisure and fitness safely, any woman who wants funding to be allocated to reproductive health care, any womenquiries who don't want employers to be able to discriminate against their recruitment, any girl or woman who wants to be accepted as a girl despite not conforming to sex stereotypes, any woman.... actually I think that covers pretty much ALL women.

Or screw over some women of reproductive age (there are many women in the states who are anti-abortion)