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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

There's a WOMAN in the White House (nearly)

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ReallyRatherNerdy · 07/11/2020 19:35

Finding this very emotional. Dancing round the kitchen. Anyone else?

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HecatesCats · 08/11/2020 00:58

Hopefully just a stepping stone for Kamala.

I really hope so. I hope we're about to witness a really stable and pragmatic period of governing by the D's, which brings a broad church on board and which moves them inexorably towards a Kamala Harris campaign in 2024.

HecatesCats · 08/11/2020 01:18

An excellent article from the Atlantic focusing on her achievements as a Black Woman: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/kamala-harris-makes-history/617002/

GrinitchSpinach · 08/11/2020 02:56

I thought I was completely jaded when it comes to politics but I confess I shed a small tear when she spoke tonight, wearing suffragist white, and addressed “all the little girls in America” or something like that and my eldest said, eyes shining, “She’s talking to ME!”

Don’t worry, I will return to regularly scheduled cynicism in the morning.

DramaAlpaca · 08/11/2020 03:00

I am really quite emotional tonight.

teezletangler · 08/11/2020 04:00

The way the media is reporting this is really getting on my nerves.

Take the Guardian headline: "Kamala Harris makes history as first woman of color elected US vice-president" (and there are many more like it).

She is the first woman. Full stop. The NY Times is so far the only outlet I have seen report it this way.

Obviously being the first POC to be VP is a huge achievement, but there has already been a POC who was President, which is a far greater achievement. It's an important element, but it's really not the headline here. It's as if the media literally cannot see sex or sexism in society, and KH being a woman is an interesting little add-on.

7Days · 08/11/2020 04:43

She came up through the justice system, didnt she.
That will have given her a lot of insight into some of the race and sex based problems besetting America, hopefully. I don't think you can serve decades at the sharp edge and be overly woke. She will surely be aware about the difficulties but also the necessity of balancing rights.
That bodes well for the US this evening and it's nice to feel hope for once!

Galvantula · 08/11/2020 06:25

It is nice. 🙂

Conversation with 5yo DD who has been listening to all the chat about it this week. Oldest brother was asking for updates a lot 😅

Me: So are you glad Trump won't be President any more?

DD: yes! But what about Boris Johnson?

Me: Sorry no we're stuck with him.
Did you see who will be the vice-president (I attempted to explain what that was 😄).

DD: No.

Me:Do you want to see a picture? What do you think they look like?

DD: well probably they have a beard...

What? It's a girl?

Me: Why do you think you thought they'd have a beard?

DD: well because everyone else is a man

She seemed quite impressed ☺️

highame · 08/11/2020 07:55

I think Kamala Harris will be very aware that Biden may not run again and therefore she is highly likely to become the first woman President of the USA. With that in mind, Ms Harris will have at least a four year vision, she is an intelligent woman and unlikely to scupper her chances by being unbalanced. Women's rights and Trans rights I have no issues.

Good luck Kamala Harris

ThinEndOfTheWedge · 08/11/2020 08:06

But what is having a woman (nearly) in the White House actually going to do for US women’s rights?

Terrifying thread from SwipeWright which tells me that US women have to urgently mobilise before women’s sex-based rights are utterly destroyed by Biden/Harris - all in the name of male ‘progress’.

mobile.twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1317608236695003137

He links to this important read for all US men and women who care about women’s rights.

mobile.twitter.com/MichaelGLFlood/status/130973031493618073

He also linked to this monstrosity:

mobile.twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1325081372399083520 Black birthing bodies

What is KH - who is woke a black woman/mother with a ‘black birthing body’ - going to do about this woke repugnant dehumanising woman/mother erasing racist shit?

Not much...

I fear it’s going to be shit...

gardenbird48 · 08/11/2020 08:33

This is the major issue for women and girls in America. I’m pleased to see a female vp but if this change to the law is enacted it removes women’s sex based rights and protections.

If anyone can identify as a woman it makes discrimination almost impossible to prosecute because it changes the comparators.

Women’s sports will become even more unfair and unsafe (the states that allow male bodied transgender people to compete with women have demonstrated this) and women lose their rights to single sex spaces.

Not a good day for 51% of the American population.

There's a WOMAN in the White House (nearly)
OhHolyJesus · 08/11/2020 08:34

I'm with Thin

Just because she is the right colour and a woman doesn't mean she won't be dangerous for women. Don't forget May was the one progressing the GRA when she was in office.

She thinks sex work is work and is a supporter of gender ideology but I understand she blocked a Male prisoner from getting surgery when she was governor of California so maybe she socially acceptable but sees the dangers from Self ID?

With Biden and Harris I do not think women are one safe ground here, far from it.

gardenbird48 · 08/11/2020 08:49

This article is very helpful. It explains how the changes to the Equality Act (in America) ensure that gender identity takes precedence over sex so where there is a clash between sex based rights/provisions, the gender identity of a person will dictate the outcome.

journals.sagepub.com/eprint/HQCEMQYUYXDTCBKYCSBQ/full

NonnyMouse1337 · 08/11/2020 08:51

It's a good achievement and definitely a milestone that will be recorded in history so well done to KH.

I no longer feel like 'celebrating' such milestones though because I would rather wait and see what someone's true character is like and what sort of actions they carry out over the course of their term before deciding if they are really of benefit to myself and other women. I would never vote for someone simply because they are a woman, and I think I will continue to hold that position.

If I've learned anything over the past 2-3 years, it is that I cannot trust and rely on women in power and influence to stand up for my rights by default. It is women who have predominantly undermined women's rights and sold us down the gender identity ideology river. In academia, political and legal circles, advocacy groups... Nearly everywhere I look, a lot of women are cheering this kind of stuff on and doing everything they can to wave it through.
Yes, there are some wonderful women pushing back and I'm really grateful to them. But the irony is not lost on me that as more women get into positions of power and influence, my rights have been steadily eroded and undermined by quite a number of them over the years.

Baaaahhhhh · 08/11/2020 08:56

The media seem to be following the Black American/Asian American line more than the fact that she is a woman though. Don't get me wrong, I think that's great too, but the biggest gain is that she is a WOMAN, finally representing half of the electorate.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 08/11/2020 09:16

@Hayeahnobut

And she supports trans rights! Smile
She'll be surrounded by a lot of good 'ol boys, nothing will come of that.
fakenina · 08/11/2020 09:17

The side Biden and Harris are fronting for are 100% behind gender idology. The same people finance both so we know what to exspect. This is a tragic day for US women. I fear for the future for them and more international pressure will be put on the UK gov to cave to these mens demands.

RealityNotEssentialism · 08/11/2020 09:20

@fakenina

The side Biden and Harris are fronting for are 100% behind gender idology. The same people finance both so we know what to exspect. This is a tragic day for US women. I fear for the future for them and more international pressure will be put on the UK gov to cave to these mens demands.
It’s still much better than Trump though. Given his attack on abortion laws, a second term for him would have had unbelievable repercussions for so many women.
fakenina · 08/11/2020 09:21

How is it better than Trump.
Women will cease to exist as a legal entity.

CaraDuneRedux · 08/11/2020 09:23

As I said in the run up to this election, the choice was women in prison/women in sports lose their rights, versus all women lose their reproductive rights.

Harm limitation meant a vote for Biden/Harris, because losing reproductive rights would cause such enormous damage to all women.

Doesn't mean I'm happy about the imminent destruction of women's sports, or the fact that women will be incarcerated with male rapists and sex offenders. But Trump would have been more of a disaster for more women.

fakenina · 08/11/2020 09:24

Women's rights, what women?

Women's health care, what health care is that?

Domestic violence, its just a fight between friends right?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/11/2020 09:24

Tinged by their backing of gender (Biden even namechecked transgender in his speech) over sex.

RealityNotEssentialism · 08/11/2020 09:24

@fakenina

How is it better than Trump. Women will cease to exist as a legal entity.
If you can’t see how it’s better than Trump then I can’t help you. I’m gender critical but I’m realistic and the idea that women will cease to exist or cease to have rights is hugely overblown. Whereas repeal of abortion laws would have a direct impact on many women, severely affecting their mental and physical health.
Jumbogirl · 08/11/2020 09:26

wonderful!!! so happy

fakenina · 08/11/2020 09:26

Women ceasing to exist as a category will affect all women and girls.

RealityNotEssentialism · 08/11/2020 09:27

@fakenina

Women's rights, what women?

Women's health care, what health care is that?

Domestic violence, its just a fight between friends right?

No. We’ve had de facto self-ID for years in the UK and it has not had a widespread impact for the vast majority of women. Even in countries where there is legal self-ID like Denmark, it’s not the case that women ‘have no rights’. I don’t think it should be brought in and I don’t agree with it but I can clearly see that abortion laws would have a far far greater impact.