There's a WOMAN in the White House (nearly)

[ReallyRatherNerdy]

Finding this very emotional. Dancing round the kitchen. Anyone else?

It’s still much better than Trump though. Given his attack on abortion laws, a second term for him would have had unbelievable repercussions for so many women.

This isn’t about Trump.

A first term for Biden/Harris will have unbelievable repercussions not just for so many women, but for all women.

If you define women in law away from material reality to a feeling/identity - then there are no women’s rights at all - including reproductive rights.

It is this basic.

She’s so bright - I truly feel the world is a better place for her being in the white house

She has her pronouns in her bio too, and 9 Million twitter followers.

I think the anti-Trans mob and the Rowling fanclub have been right all along; people ARE 'waking up', the tide really IS turning.

@ThinEndOfTheWedge

It’s still much better than Trump though. Given his attack on abortion laws, a second term for him would have had unbelievable repercussions for so many women.

This isn’t about Trump.

A first term for Biden/Harris will have unbelievable repercussions not just for so many women, but for all women.

If you define women in law away from material reality to a feeling/identity - then there are no women’s rights at all - including reproductive rights.

It is this basic.

Okay, we’ll see what happens over the next four years then. Of course it’s about Trump because that was the alternative. If it wasn’t Biden/Harris it would have been Trump. Simple as. This is a very good thing for women and for everyone.

@HecatesCats

It's only taken 230 years!

The Labour party are 120 years and counting - will they manage to be the US 'record'? I'm not holding by breath.

@Lisz

She has her pronouns in her bio too, and 9 Million twitter followers.

I think the anti-Trans mob and the Rowling fanclub have been right all along; people ARE 'waking up', the tide really IS turning.

Yeah and the woke mob are accusing her of being a cop and transphobic so I doubt that she’ll be dyeing her hair blue any time soon.

The thing is that you cannot stand on a progressive slate without to an extent pandering to the woke mob. If you do so, you won’t gain sufficient votes because the left will hate you and if you have left wing ideals, you won’t get the support of the right wing.

@Lisz

She has her pronouns in her bio too, and 9 Million twitter followers.

I think the anti-Trans mob and the Rowling fanclub have been right all along; people ARE 'waking up', the tide really IS turning.

I mean if you’re going on Twitter followers, Trump has nearly 90 million and in a country the size of America, 9 m isn’t that many. I hope a person’s Twitter following isn’t representative of what the public thinks.

Great news!

The full implications of 'self ID' are only just begining to be felt in general society, self ID was codified in to law before it was enacted and people could realsie what was happening.

The implications are horrifying and most people are horrified by them, which is why supporters always deny the implications can happen, even when there are documented cases of them happening.

There is no end point to the idology of womens erasure. The womens rights movement will litterally have to start from scratch again.

@fakenina

The full implications of 'self ID' are only just begining to be felt in general society, self ID was codified in to law before it was enacted and people could realsie what was happening.

The implications are horrifying and most people are horrified by them, which is why supporters always deny the implications can happen, even when there are documented cases of them happening.

There is no end point to the idology of womens erasure. The womens rights movement will litterally have to start from scratch again.

Okay well I will still be celebrating Kamala and so will millions of people. We’ll see what happens but I seriously doubt that in 4 years that all women will be devoid of rights. The TRA position, if taken to its absolute extreme on a philosophical level, is scary but in real life, that won’t happen. A Biden presidency will be better for women than the alternative decimation or reproductive rights (unless you’re only focused on white, married, ultra-Christian women).

It is fantastic news from a providing inspiration, smashing barriers etc.

Shame it won't be great for American women. Ah well, as everything is better than trump they can do what they want and people haven't seemed to notice. Biden is also keen to work for a united Ireland, excited for that and many other nuggets hidden within the anyone but trump mantras.

Women in the US need to organise and resist, but there's no way that another four years of Trump would have been a good thing for women's rights. There would have been nothing good about another four years of Trump. The reality is that we will always be fighting, because misogyny.

Chapter IX protections for women's sport are about to disappear, that's for sure.

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The transgirls in Connecticut sprinting debacle is about to be repeated across the USA. As soon as college coaches get wise to the competitive advantage of having transwomen on their athletics squads, there will be deliberate and wholesale attempts to recruit trans students, and this is going to filter through to the 2024 Olympics.

It seriously pissed me off that whenever we even tried to talk about this during the election campaign, someone would come along and accuse us of working for Trump.

I am also disappointed at the number of left wing feminists (in fact feminists of any political persuasion) who have avoided all discussion of it. I understand the reasons why - I just trust them a little less now.

Any response that wasn't along the 'Trump shill' lines was normally that this could be resisted once Trump was out.
So now Trump is on his way out and so I would like to ask, what's the plan?

We love to see it, hopefully it will inspire women and young girls to actually see someone in one of the most powerful jobs in the world.

Will wait to fully celebrate though when it becomes clearer what effect their proposed policies will have on women's rights. I agree that the 'anyone but Trump' chorus has been very beneficial to them.

Biden is also keen to work for a united Ireland

Yay, American president interferring with the sovereignty and national affairs of countries and peoples that are nothing to do with America. History shows that always goes well [Hmm]

The Senate is still Republican

I’m happy there is a female VPOTUS, but I’m not happy about it being KH. Not happy about how she climbed the ladder to get there or many of her views. There are many better qualified more deserving women that should be there, like Condoleezza Rice for example.

We’ve had de facto self-ID for years in the UK and it has not had a widespread impact for the vast majority of women. Even in countries where there is legal self-ID like Denmark, it’s not the case that women ‘have no rights’.

Im not sure what you mean by de facto self id in the U.K. - it is not law and until very recently women’s rights were explicitly supported in court. There has been a creep more recent due to the deliberate misinformation being distributed by captured organisations like the EHRC and campaigning organisations like Stonewall which has affected many areas.
It does adversely affect women’s rights in an immediate way - we currently (in the U.K.) have no effective right to a single sex hospital ward, we have no right to single sex toilet provision and women are being locked in prisons with rapists.

Real women are being hurt here already and it is not even in law but the people who should be supporting women and upholding the law are not and that is a disgrace.
There will be a big effect on women at the lower ends of the income scales - girls not being able to access college education because the scholarship was taken by a male bodied transgender competitor, women who will not be able to afford the necessary lawsuits to challenge the inevitable and wide ranging injustices that they will suffer and the actual violence and injury that women and girls will suffer if they lose their access to male free spaces.

On the whole I am happy that there is a woman VP. I think Harris will (for the most part) be a safe pair of hands, though I suspect she is largely a career politician who will do what is best for her. I think the symbolism of finally seeing a female VP and the positive impact this will have for a generation of girls growing up can't be underestimated.

I still think the unquestioning trumpet blowing for "trans rights" is going to be a disaster, though. It will destroy women's sports, and it will hurt some of the most vulnerable women in society (women in prison, women in need of homeless shelters, women in need of crisis support for rape and domestic violence).

If you define women in law away from material reality to a feeling/identity - then there are no women’s rights at all - including reproductive rights.

This. If the very word "woman" slowly becomes taboo and we see this happening all over the place and we are ALL (that is, American women) forced to refer to men as female, what really is left? ALL women and girls will be affected, their safety and privacy removed, not just those needing abortions.
It's a horrifying dystopia, with ALL women second class, excluding perhaps a tiny wealthy and prominent minority of women who can stay above the fray.

It's a horrifying dystopia, with ALL women second class, excluding perhaps a tiny wealthy and prominent minority of women who can stay above the fray.

This is such an important point. I earn my money in the "knowledge economy" where women can compete with men on an equal footing, and where my male colleagues tend to be very decent sorts who genuinely do see me as a fellow human being. It would be very, very easy for me to project this experience onto the rest of society and say "well, John now wants to be Jean and come to work in a dress, go Jean, live your authentic life, TWAW." And in fact pretty much I do agree with most of that, up to but definitely not including the TWAW bit.

Fortunately I have the imagination to see that there are situations where sex matters and women need additional protections - fairness in sport, safety in areas where we are naked and/or vulnerable, because men are bigger, stronger and much more prone to violence than we are.

The fact that I (due to luck and circumstance) lead a pretty charmed life where I am largely protected from these impacts, doesn't mean that all women lead such a lucky life.

She's a formidable woman. I'm just hoping having her eye on the presidency she'll be trying to keep hold of the centre ground and will be listening to women who don't agree with her stance on gender identity.

I really want to be happy about this but I just feel flat.

She's supporting male participation in female sport because of their beliefs. Women that do this are ridiculous and unserious. Honestly, she is as foolish as the rest of them. If she is happy to expect people to believe her lies about gender identity then she's a foolish liar, like the orange predecessor.

I miss LangCleg this morning. I'll always remember her saying that what mattered to her about a politician was not so much whether they were a woman but whether they were good for women. (I may have paraphrased slightly but that was the gist.) I would really love to hear her perspective on this.