BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

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You can complain here:

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Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

How about the guarantee of a refuge place in a male free space immediately for anyone who needs it? And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

Thank you in for supporting single sex spaces for women with no male bodied people allowed.!!!!

Great, a male free space for anyone who needs it is exactly what women want.

And yes, an end to violence and poverty would be nice, and systems in place to protect the weakest and most vulnerable until we reach that wonderful future. And I think that the more women's voice , of all and every class, race, religion etc etc, are heard, the closer we will get to this future.

And I have to say this, but if you think anyone who wants a male free space should get it, you are being transphobic.

So please explain why women fighting to maintain male free spaces is so horrific, given that you have said they should exist?

Could you please explain why women fighting to prevent medical treatment of children that may cause them lifelong problems and not provide a cure for their problems is not supporting the weakest and most vulnerable in our society ?

Has someone been telling lies to you about the people on mumsnet?

Erm I can't work out if we're supposed to be lefties or not.

The fact that JJ assumes no women on these boards gives a toss about the social issues they mentioned in their previous post really shows that JJ is engaged in fighting with some kind of imaginary character they've created in their head, and has no ability to comprehend that any woman here is not a carbon copy of that character.

@jj1968

What exactly is your cause?

How about the guarantee of a refuge place in a male free space immediately for anyone who needs it? And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs. And let's work towards making refuges unnecessary and making the bastard responsible to e the one who loses his home? How about safe and humane prisons for everyone and more important putting less working class women in prison especially for non violent offences? In fact how about a completely new system that is less about punishing the poorest and only to protect us from truly dangerous people? How about a society with adequate social security so people aren't driven into mental ill health, poverty, and the associated risks of addiction and crime? How about safe accessible toilet provision that caters to everyone, including lone parents or those who have carer needs? How about increased funding for women's healthcare services and trans healthcare? How about no need for homeless hostels at all whether single sex or not because there are no homeless people? How about worrying about and fighting for the things our class desperately needs to live freely without need and with dignity for all without getting drawn into endless unwinnable arguments about pronouns and what words mean whilst middle class Tories pull our fucking strings.

Seriously. Can you just stop telling women what to do for five seconds???

And secondly, you have no idea what else the women here campaign for. None.

This thread is about the insidious use of pronouns to intimidate people.

If you want to talk about something else start another thread.

But for the love of God, and your own mental health, you should stop telling women what to do. We're not your support humans, we're not there to validate you, your thoughts, or your politics.

The meaning of words do matter

I shall redefine poverty to mean having more than enough to live on.

Poverty problems solved . Yeah!

It's also a very very long list of things that women must sort out in societies all over the world where to a greater or lesser extent we are denied power/ a voice,

Before we can think about women. And by then we definitely won't have a name for ourselves at all.

JJ I hope you raise all these social issues on male dominated forums as well.

You are not just gambling the lives of trans people with the ferocity of this campaign and the willingness to stand with the conservative right. Every anti-Trans article in Quilette, Breitbart and even The Spectator brings us closer to the situation women and LGBT people face in Poland. That's precisely why the right are giving you so much support. They think you are helping them and sadly I suspect they are correct.

Honestly, this is just a stupid comment. One among many. Garbage like this is all over Twitter. Shame it's polluting FWR now too.

Great. No tedious arguments about inner essences or pronouns for me. Physical, reality based single sex provision and protection and happy days, or closer to it.

Glad we've got that sorted then.

How about the guarantee of a refuge place in a male free space immediately for anyone who needs it?

Pleased to see you agree with us on this point at least.

How about the guarantee of a refuge place in a male free space immediately for anyone who needs it? And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

Why do you think people come onto these feminist boards?

Do you honestly, seriously think that many of the women here have not needed recourse to a shelter? Rape counselling? Psychiatric care?

What gilded planet are you living on??

what guilted planet are you living on

Well the world peace post reminded me of a beauty pageant winner

You know what? And this isn't even snark. I'd give my right arm for some of that male privilege.

So jj we all agree : female only refuges, prisons,hospital wards,homeless shelters,changing rooms and toilets. Yeah!

@midgebabe

what guilted planet are you living on

Well the world peace post reminded me of a beauty pageant winner

Given this person has got nothing to say at all about women in a homeless shelter, who were subjected to sexual humiliation, or a woman small business owner, who is subjected to online harassment, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole paragraph is a copy and paste from somewhere else entirely.

@Butterer

^ sorry, I haven't put that quite right. I'd actually love to not feel like I have to justify my opinion or support by having to refer to my lived experience (and then risk being accused of weaponising it).

I know exactly what you meant, butterer 💐

Another thread nearing the posting limit.

I think the 'weaponization' accusation is so interesting when it's used in these contexts. Women try to explain, in response to males demanding access to women's rights and provisions, why they need those rights. This gets called weaponization, but that is truly a classic reversal, as it is an attempt to shield their rights and provisions from those who want it from them.

Well I say, lock shields, sisters. Your lives will make all the difference. Tell your stories and your histories and never be intimidated by those who dismiss them.

I'm not buying the beauty pageant list.

You do you, jj, and women will crack on fighting for our own rights. Whether you approve or not.

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

This is actually quite pathetic. The people at the top of public funded organisations frequently are posh outsiders in these stupidly simplistic terms. They are often graduate only jobs populated by managerial class people that have no experience of front line working.

Even Jess Phillips whose credibility seemingly stems from work in the sector actually worked as a Business Development manager on bid management, a job that commits the front line as a condition of contracts to policies determined SOLEY by the funding providers who are also managerial class graduates.

I read an article where she spoke about getting a bee in her bonnet about getting women in refuges registered to vote, something SHE considered a priority for those women, but she found in reality this was the last thing they gave a shit about when she tried to impose her "programme" on the women.
Posters here sometimes similarly have so much advice and so much to say about women's lives with so little knowledge or experience.

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

Is it time to post that statement from the Deptford Women's Project again?

Because that was their entire issue, about highly entitled, highly privileged, highly educated students invading working class projects to take over the time and space to lecture the users, many in urgent immediate need, about gender, identity politics, the language needed to be learned and used, and that those students were the most oppressed of anyone using the project. It was let them eat caking of the highest order.

How about worrying about and fighting for the things our class desperately needs to live freely without need and with dignity for all

Like single sex spaces you mean?

Got that one covered. Worrying about and fighting for that as hard as I can thanks.

Most of the people here have the unique experience of their own lives, and by reading we become better more knowledgable people

It is always fascinating how some people really can't understand that someone could possibly think differently, whilst others want to learn why people think differently