BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

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You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

@midgebabe

The only person I get cost with is DH thank you very much

However, you see your problem of wanting to treat people according to a narrow set of stereotypes is again limiting you

You see, people who don't see everyone in stereotypes can say I agree with say Liz on this issue and disagree with her on that,

Try living outside of stereotypes, it's most liberating

You see, people who don't see everyone in stereotypes can say I agree with say Liz on this issue and disagree with her on that,

And people who are comfortable economically or in a professional career can say I'll vote for Liz for the same reason. And they will.

We're also nasty Catholic types, apparently.

Back to the OP: the BBC was captured so long ago I don't know if they'll ever go back.

I honestly don't think I could count the number of male individuals who have come on here to tell us we should be doing something else.

We're doing it wrong, we're doing it with the wrong people, we're not doing it to benefit the right people, it's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

That's when you know how right you are.

Yes, it's often said on here how easy it is to raise money for campaigns and court cases, and that's because of all the extra bungs we get from the evil evangelicals in America, so we can flex our power muscles as the ruling elite feminists of the UK.

You can't move round my gaff without tripping over wedges of cash.

Oh and middle aged, middle class, non LGBT+, white...

no, no, no and no.

You're going to have to find some more stereotypes to try.

@jj1968

There are plenty of working class women fighting sexism and misogyny. Plenty of working class women fighting for adequate housing, healthcare and benefits. Plenty of working class women fighting the funding cuts for women's services. None of them feel the need to cosy up to the likes of Truss, Davies and Nicholson, because those people are happy to destroy working class women's lives at the drop of a hat.

Writing to the Minister for Women and Equalities and asking her to consider women isn't 'cosying up' to her.

Asking Baroness Nicholson to use her power to ensure sex education doesn't solely consist of boys being told where (and what) they can stick it in girls for their own gratification with no thought for the female isn't 'cosying up' to her.

Jaysus, is it possible that we are in a representative democracy and can contact members of the houses of parliament and the lords to represent our interests in the halls of power?

Nay! Twas there ever such a rum idea, guvnor!

Yes, some people will vote for someone who they don't totally agree with

Can't say I have ever voted Tory though, I mean really, there are limits, I won't be insulted on this occasion.

But that doesn't stop me trying to influence people with power.

if you had to agree with everything someone said, you would never vote.
Although I guess if you do only think in stereotype, you won't see any nuance of thought, ...hum

Those 'vanity court cases' being your dismissive reframing of women and girls rights and equality.

Yes. I don't think jj can help themselves. The misogyny will out.

@FloralBunting

Jaysus, is it possible that we are in a representative democracy and can contact members of the houses of parliament and the lords to represent our interests in the halls of power?

Nay! Twas there ever such a rum idea, guvnor!

Nooooo.

You're only allowed to do a bit of marching.

Do not dare write an articulate letter to your MP, anyone in the House of Lords, or the equalities minister.

@FloralBunting

Yes, it's often said on here how easy it is to raise money for campaigns and court cases, and that's because of all the extra bungs we get from the evil evangelicals in America, so we can flex our power muscles as the ruling elite feminists of the UK.

You can't move round my gaff without tripping over wedges of cash.

Every time I get called a terf, I get a pay rise from the evangelicals for doing my job properly

Just terf in general - 25% rise.

Called terf by someone with pronouns in the bio? - 50%

Called terf by a beard- 75%

Beard and pronouns in the bio? Ding ding ding. 100%

🤑🤑🤑🤑

I bathe in my earnings in my council flat bath that I don't even fit in despite only been 5ft 4 😆

@Butterer

Like a community union? Already done.

Then you have my solidarity. I think working class women and working class trans/LGB people fighting together for the resources we need to ensure safe and adequate services for us all is probably the only way out of this conflict for those on the left. And the last thing those on the right want is the end of this conflict and they will attempt to sabotage any moves towards resolution or compromise.

My very working-class mother couldn't use a public toilet if a male cleaner was present, even when my adult self was accompanying her. If she had been on a ward where an obvious male like Alex Drummond had been admitted, she would have self-discharged unless she was physically unable to leave, even if it jeopardised her physical health.

I'm not going to avoid standing up for her rights to access the NHS, just because it means writing to a conservative MP.

Yes, the, er, solidarity is slipping off your posts like something from a shovel, I would say. I'm sure we're all waiting for the resurgence of a union movement with women's rights in the vanguard.

Any minute now...

So confused as to why you think this is a class issue?

Do you think that working class women are more sympathetic to your cause?

What exactly is your cause?
For transpeople to be treated with respect, and facilities put in place to ensure they can live safe a full lives ?

Or for transwomen to be allowed access to the facilities put in place to ensure women can live safe and full lives, thus depriving women ?

Many here would support the former

jj1968
Then you have my solidarity. I think working class women and working class trans/LGB people fighting together for the resources we need to ensure safe and adequate services for us all is probably the only way out of this conflict for those on the left. And the last thing those on the right want is the end of this conflict

Hang on: you were inveighing against us as "middle class lefties" a couple of pages ago. Make up your mind!

Try United Voice of the World Union who have been organising mostly with migrant cleaners, hotel workers and most recently VAWG sector workers and have won a string of impressive victories.

Then you have my solidarity. I think working class women and working class trans/LGB people fighting together for the resources we need to ensure safe and adequate services for us all is probably the only way out of this conflict for those on the left. And the last thing those on the right want is the end of this conflict and they will attempt to sabotage any moves towards resolution or compromise.

How about you show solidarity by leaving the Morning Star alone then? It's not standing up for women now, and why is that?

P.S. my mother was disabled and needed access to toilets when she went out. If she'd seen an Alex Drummond in a public toilet, that would have meant she couldn't go any distance from her flat.

My mother wasn't disabled, and would probably have knocked him down with her handbag and accidentally stepped on him. She was a formidable lady who gave no fucks.

My paraplegic M-i-L carried a police whistle for emergencies and would have used it, I suspect.

We're all from different backgrounds with differing life experiences but we're united on this issue.

You are right, it is really nice to see this. I appreciate you saying you like seeing different people's backgrounds. I think I just said that in a bit of a stroppy way because it almost felt like a need to justify ourselves in a way that isn't necessary.

What exactly is your cause?

How about the guarantee of a refuge place in a male free space immediately for anyone who needs it? And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs. And let's work towards making refuges unnecessary and making the bastard responsible to e the one who loses his home? How about safe and humane prisons for everyone and more important putting less working class women in prison especially for non violent offences? In fact how about a completely new system that is less about punishing the poorest and only to protect us from truly dangerous people? How about a society with adequate social security so people aren't driven into mental ill health, poverty, and the associated risks of addiction and crime? How about safe accessible toilet provision that caters to everyone, including lone parents or those who have carer needs? How about increased funding for women's healthcare services and trans healthcare? How about no need for homeless hostels at all whether single sex or not because there are no homeless people? How about worrying about and fighting for the things our class desperately needs to live freely without need and with dignity for all without getting drawn into endless unwinnable arguments about pronouns and what words mean whilst middle class Tories pull our fucking strings.

So we've already seen that some middle class gender critical activists are prepared to fuck over poor women in their quest to own the trans.

jj - please could you define what you mean by middle class? You seem to be using it as a perjorative term and have implied that disabled women, single mothers or unemployed women cannot be middle class so I am very confused as to what you mean by it and why you are so anti what you perceive to be that group of people.

By some measures I am probably middle class but we (my husband and I) have worked extremely hard to get where we are - does that make us bad people? We have provided employment for people in the past and treated them very well - does that make us bad people?

I vote according to who I think runs the country most effectively for as many people as possible - does that make me a bad person?

You seem to be putting a lot of blame for the women's rights activism on conservative and right wing politics but it is the left and liberals that are vociferously abandoning, silencing and expelling women at all turns and pushing them away from the left - so how is that the fault of 'the right' and why does 'the right' standing up for women's rights make them bad people?

If women who have the job security, confidence and time to try and stand up for the most disadvantaged women in prisons who literally have no voice and the women affected by Dissociative Identity Disorder (mentioned on another post this morning) and the young girls and lesbians who are being bullied - does that make them bad people?
I want my daughters and other people's daughters to be able to grow up with access to safe female only spaces and provision, to enjoy their sports and compete safely and fairly, to not be encouraged to have surgery and hormone treatment if they don't conform to sterotypes, for their careers to be supported and discrimination against them minimised rather than encouraged.

I think it was you on another thread that was vehemently anti-bosses? If it was you - I think it might help your understanding if you did some basic reading on how an economy runs and how essential bosses are as well as workers. I think this should be covered far better in schools - I have friends who have no idea how a national economy functions - we need public and private sectors, we need workers and bosses, we need entrepreneurs and doers.

@testing987654321

We're all from different backgrounds with differing life experiences but we're united on this issue.

You are right, it is really nice to see this. I appreciate you saying you like seeing different people's backgrounds. I think I just said that in a bit of a stroppy way because it almost felt like a need to justify ourselves in a way that isn't necessary.

I didn't take your post as stroppy, testing (though that would be understandable), completely agree with you that it shouldn't matter at all. I hope it didn't look like I was having a pop, just thought it worth pointing out that a negative nelly making assumptions actually had a positive affect 😊