Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

[quote BovaryX]And once again, the partisan nature of tech on prominent display....

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/republicans-accuse-big-tech-of-censoring-biden-leaks-q7r6szmpf[/quote]
As I heard someone say they are just an extension of the Democrats and their not even trying to hide it. Though the desperation may turn out to be warranted as there is allegedly video of Hunter Biden engaging in indecent acts with a person who may not be of age.

PS. I am loving all the normal people coming to the realisation that Big Tech does ban/censor. The same people who said feminists were being "precious" and must have done something really bad to be banned (so deserved it) over the last few years.

@Aesopfable

why does the system produce such awful candidates?

Precisely. I wonder if the position isn't such a horrible, impossible one that one needs to be a bit few short of a picnic to actually want to be President.

Same goes for politics everywhere - it's such a hostile, toxic, immature infuriating nonsense game that it actually helps to be somewhat sociopathic to stay in it for the longterm. Which is why we so often get such terrible politicians.

Baby, I think I'm with you. I intensely dislike Trump for the boorish, shallow, vain misogynist he clearly is, but he at least doesn't seem to be so intent on controlling the media, the conversation, the populace.

Frightening times. As said above, there will be strife whoever wins.

The new Hunter Biden / Laptop "story" comes from Rudy Giuliani.
There is no third party evidence at all.
QAnon are spreading stories about Biden.

But single issue voters who do not care about Climate Change seem happy with that.

LQ are you saying the laptop is a dummy with fake photos and emails on it, or what?
Were the NYP made fools of, or were they in on it?
How did Twitter & FB divine the truth so quickly, and act to curb fake news so quickly?

Giluiliani is a partisan loon, and politics is a dirty business, different factions will have sat on different scandals in order to make hay when it suits them - that's not the point here, I dont think.

There is no third party evidence at all.

The media print stories about Trump all the time without any third party evdience! They extensively print articles with unsubstantiated theories and stories which are then disproved about Trump. They do this all the time.

But suddenly with Biden, they enforce all these journalistic boundaries they totally ignore for Trump? Why?

The bias and inconsistency is glaring, and very dangerous.

Seriously people like me were totally on board with liberal agendas until a few years ago I started to realise I was being told what to think, what I was not allowed to think, and what I was not allowed to know about or ask questions about and that made me realise there is something much more dangerous than conservatism.

There is no laptop
there are no pictures
NYP (proprietor Rupert Murdoch) know that a good story is always better than a real story

Why do you keep putting 'single issue' in italics, Listening?

There are several crucial issues to consider - climate change and avoiding war, freedom of speech and media, women's rights.

I am interested in policy and actions, not media hot take opinion pieces on Trump's latest faux pas. They are just meaningless.

That's some assertion LQ.
NYP and Murdoch just literally made up a story out of thin air???
I dont buy that.
Inflate a story, nudge a story, blow it up out of proportion, yeah, they would do that alright. Might just be embarrassing pics and unpleasant but legal emails, when they are examined, fair enough.
Politics as usual, if so.

But the other question is, how were Twitter on to this plan so quickly? It was broken by a mainstream source - and immediately suppressed. It would not have happened with a Trump scandal, just no way.

Theres no two ways around it, that is no good for democracy.

Arabella
Anybody who decides their whole voting strategy on one issue
(eg TRA / TWAW)
without taking into account
abortion rights
healthcare rights
employment rights
climate change
food safety
electoral / gerrymandering / democratic rights

is likely to make a poor decision

7days
www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/15/hunter-biden-laptop-giuliani/

But the other question is, how were Twitter on to this plan so quickly? It was broken by a mainstream source - and immediately suppressed
The laptop may not "exist", as it was damaged hence it being taken to a computer repair shop.
From reading the article it seems that the when whoever took the laptop to the shop didn't return to collect it the owner examined its contents what he found was so shocking that he notified the FBI and the senate for his own protection. This was apparently in December 2019 and Rudy has been saying all year that he has something big. Someone from the FBI collected the hard drive and then silence until a couple of days ago. So the Dems, Facebook,Twitter, Instagram etc would have had a contingency plan in case the info dropped hence the speed.
BTW some pictures were released are real including the one with Hunter asleep with a crack pipe hanging out of his mouth. The Chinese Communist Party allegedly also has copies of all the information which presents a security risk.

In the abusive messages above calling us Trump trolls etc you do get an illuminating insight into the head of the liberal apparatchik.

They are the same in the US or UK or anywhere else. Screaming about how important it is that one faction of the country’s billionaires defeats the other faction. Yet refusing to make any concessions to the people whose votes they need, but still demanding them. You have to vote for us, you have nowhere else to go.

In their minds, voters exist to serve their candidates and parties, not the other way round.

That is why they get so hugely enraged when voters say they might not vote for shitty candidates and shitty parties that offer them fuck all.

The aim is to deflect blame onto the voters when the bogeyman candidate wins. No. Fuck off. If it’s so important to defeat the bogeyman, put up a better candidate.

@pequini

The smear campaign against Biden to make him look just as bad as Trump is sickening. All the ploys have been tried on this thread. Just as bad as one another. I'd vote for no one. He's old. He has dementia. Just fuck off. It's so transparent. Anyone with a moral bone in their body will be voting for Biden. There are a lot of Americans on Mumsnet. Including this one and you can fuck right off trying to hand that bastard another 4 years.

Once again, don't you believe Tara Reade? Or does Me Too only apply to women with the correct political opinions?

Whether or not one believes Tara Reade
the USA has a choice
Biden or Trump
and it has to make that choice based around

• the candidate
• their VP candidate
• who they are likely to appoint to senior posts
• their policies on MANY, MANY things

Healthcare
Housing
Education
Climate Change
Trade

Americans have to vote for the least worst
and hope that the winner protects the rights of their children and grandchildren

PS
When Giuliani was mayor of New York, he was the right man in the right place at the right time.
He did amazing things for the city and his record will always show that.

His relationship with Trump has done him and the city and the nation a disservice.

@ArabellaScott

Baby, I think I'm with you. I intensely dislike Trump for the boorish, shallow, vain misogynist he clearly is, but he at least doesn't seem to be so intent on controlling the media, the conversation, the populace.

Frightening times. As said above, there will be strife whoever wins.

You don't see Trump trying to control the media the conversation and the populace? You haven't seen him crying fake news when people report his own previous words? You haven't seen him threaten Twitter and Facebook? You haven't seen him trying to get people to boycott the Washington Post? Bigging up Breitbart and refusing to take questions from established news outlets with fact checkers on staff? Stopping the daily press briefing when it became obvious people would analyse what he said rather than just print what he wanted?

You didn't see any of that?

"You don't see Trump trying to control the media the conversation and the populace? You haven't seen him crying fake news when people report his own previous words? You haven't seen him threaten Twitter and Facebook? You haven't seen him trying to get people to boycott the Washington Post? Bigging up Breitbart and refusing to take questions from established news outlets with fact checkers on staff? Stopping the daily press briefing when it became obvious people would analyse what he said rather than just print what he wanted?"

And let's not forget the many times Trump has called journalists "enemies of the people" and openly encouraged violence against them. There were T-shirts seen at Trump rallies portraying journalists with a noose around their necks. It doesn't get more fascist than that.

@Auridon

"You don't see Trump trying to control the media the conversation and the populace? You haven't seen him crying fake news when people report his own previous words? You haven't seen him threaten Twitter and Facebook? You haven't seen him trying to get people to boycott the Washington Post? Bigging up Breitbart and refusing to take questions from established news outlets with fact checkers on staff? Stopping the daily press briefing when it became obvious people would analyse what he said rather than just print what he wanted?"

And let's not forget the many times Trump has called journalists "enemies of the people" and openly encouraged violence against them. There were T-shirts seen at Trump rallies portraying journalists with a noose around their necks. It doesn't get more fascist than that.

Now those points I do agree with (though I disagree with pretty much everything else fanny has said on this thread).

Trump overtly sets out to control the media - controlling access to the pressers, telling outright lies with a straight face, accusing journalists of "peddling fake news". His attitude to the press is terrifying.

I think the Democrats also have a bad track record - they just do it a different way, by having Silicon Valley in their pockets.

Bit like the contrast between the Telegraph and the Guardian here - the Telegraph will sometimes blatantly make shit up, whereas the Guardian just buries stories it doesn't think are morally worthy for its readership. So both readerships end up with a very slanted, compartmentalised world view, just brought about in different ways.

Listening

I didn’t see anything in the link that disproves the laptop story. What are you asserting here?

This really bothers me though:

We don’t want to incentivize hacking by allowing Twitter to be used as distribution for possibly illegally obtained materials,” the platform stated

So why did they allow links to Trump’s taxes? That wasn’t legally got (and we should know his tax details so I agree with letting the story go out there!). And the Snowden files let Americans know that the NSA was spying on them and we should be able to discuss the implications of that, though the material was illegally obtained. Same for Podesta’s emails.

Journalists break stories all the time by using materials that have a dodgy provenance, but the public service it provides should be obvious. The government won’t just let us know about their malfeasance, after all!

Unwelcome as they were, the shitshows of the 2016 Referendum and US presidential election taught me how wrong I was to assume there's a right way to vote and if people don't do it then they're horrible people or in some sense moral vacuums.

You can get away with this for so long but at some point people will reject it and the harder you try to force them the more firmly their rejection will be. Even if it's to their long term disadvantage.

The Democrats don't have Silicon Valley in their pockets - they couldn't afford the actual billionaires running amuck there

Universal suffrage has only existed for around 100 years
its time may be passing
ho hum

The Democrats don't have Silicon Valley in their pockets - they couldn't afford the actual billionaires running amuck there

With few exceptions, they are in the pocket of Silicon Valley, who are generally pro-capitalist but believe in ‘shepherding’ people’s opinions. You can find some commentary from big social media/tech firms after the shock (to them) of the 2016 elections. Showed that they could not in fact control their users as much as they would have liked ....

@HelloToMyKitty

Listening

I didn’t see anything in the link that disproves the laptop story. What are you asserting here?

This really bothers me though:

We don’t want to incentivize hacking by allowing Twitter to be used as distribution for possibly illegally obtained materials,” the platform stated

So why did they allow links to Trump’s taxes? That wasn’t legally got (and we should know his tax details so I agree with letting the story go out there!). And the Snowden files let Americans know that the NSA was spying on them and we should be able to discuss the implications of that, though the material was illegally obtained. Same for Podesta’s emails.

Journalists break stories all the time by using materials that have a dodgy provenance, but the public service it provides should be obvious. The government won’t just let us know about their malfeasance, after all!

Twitter operates by the maxim of Rules for thee but not for me. Trump is a literal Nazi so anything is fair game. Shh don't question the narrative, just accept it.