Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

The last time I voiced this I was accused of working for Trump but, like I've said, it stings at first and then you laugh and then you stop caring.

It seems to me that the incumbent holds most of the cards. If you're standing against one, not only have you got to get your own supporters out (which I understand H Clinton failed to do) you've got to win over some of the people who voted against you last time. That's tricky because they're still going to be invested in their vote - and in that person - in a way they wouldn't be with a new candidate. Telling them they've made a big mistake is unlikely to cut it - you'll just make them feel defensive Outright telling them they're stupid or bad - well I don't know what to say.

Treating anyone who tries to discuss this like they're the enemy is so self defeating that again, I don't know where to begin. And yet, from where I'm sitting (and maybe the debate is better in the US) this is where we are.

@BovaryX

He's been less hawkish than previous president

Absolutely. But that is not something that is acknowledged by the legacy media. Hillary was not only the ultimate Washington Beltway establishment candidate, she was an uber hawk. There is an anti war, anti imperial hegemony aspect of the Republican party who believe in libertarian, constitutional values. Rand Paul is an example. This is also ignored by many on the left.

I first got interested in politics as a teenager at the start of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and it struck me at the time how nobody in the US except a select few were really criticising the decision to go to war, Bush Jr or the government at the time, not without it harming their careers (like the Dixie Chicks dealt with). Now people are openly criticising Trump and the US is having much less overreach outside its borders, that's a good thing at least. I wish Bernie or Tulsi had been opposing him, you'd think the Democrats would have realised they can't just put up another business as usual candidate after 2016, because that's not working for most Americans, they need to offer something more.

[quote BovaryX]And once again, the partisan nature of tech on prominent display....

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/republicans-accuse-big-tech-of-censoring-biden-leaks-q7r6szmpf[/quote]
This won't help the Democrats in the long (or short) run and only serves to damage democracy.

Suffrajester

One of the most principled, consistent voices in opposition to the Iraq war was Ron Paul. His opposition was explicit from the beginning and he kept on speaking against military intervention and its terrible price. Here he is on Afghanistan:

This is an expensive, bloody, endless exercise in futility. Not everyone is willing to admit this just yet. But every second they spend in denial has real costs in lives and livelihoods. Many of us can agree on one thing, however. Our military spending in general has grown way out of control

Wow, now you're persuading yourselves that Trump is safer on foreign policy

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40879868

www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36519/yes-the-united-states-did-draw-up-a-plan-to-drop-80-nuclear-weapons-on-north-korea

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/nuclear-weapons-trump-arms-race/2020/10/12/1f32e026-041b-11eb-8879-7663b816bfa5_story.html

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/26/donald-trump-suggests-nuking-hurricanes-to-stop-them-hitting-america-report

@FairFriday

This is one of the reasons trump will win. This and all the ‘defund the police’ and riots. Even my ‘normal’ family in the US are resigning themselves to this (and they live in the woo woo states).

I'm inclined to agree . Transgender lobbying and Black Lives Matter/Defund the police protests were a gift to Trump.

Fanny
I suggest you do some reading. I recommend The Hobbling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt. Then you can graduate to Hayek and Popper. Good luck.

Man, the right wing groups would have a blast reading this forum. The irony of women on a feminist board suggesting that Trump might be the better candidate...simply mind boggling.

We are used to voting for the lesser evil here in the US. We have done it many times. Biden is a favorite candidate of exactly no one, but Trump is simply unacceptable. Current polls show Biden at a 23 point lead among women. Women have always either hated Trump with passion (raises hand) or have been leaving him in droves more recently.

Biden's take on trans rights is a non issue to the vast majority of American women when it's our health care that is on the line, our right to choose that is on the line, our institutions, and our democracy. We have been watching it all crumble for way too long now.

You're suggesting Popper to me? Of the Tolerance Paradox? Have you no self awareness?

Biden's take on trans rights is a non issue to the vast majority of American women when it's our health care that is on the line, our right to choose that is on the line, our institutions, and our democracy.

simply mind boggling

I tell you what's 'mind boggling.' The arrogance and insularity of those who think there is only one acceptable political viewpoint on a range of issues. The arrogance of those who think they can lecture women on this board about what ideas and discussions are 'allowed' and the growing list of topics which are deemed 'problematic.' I tell you what is tedious. The 'crimes of adjacency' charge because you can't handle being challenged on the arrogant assumptions you make about politics. Everyone who votes Democrat is not a paragon of virtue. Everyone who votes Republican is not a monster. You are not on Mount Moral Highground. The finger wagging isn't working.

The finger wagging isn't working.

Nor are the reading comprehension skills

I said on the previous page if I were American I would (reluctantly) vote Boden, because of women's reproductive rights, and foreign policy.

But apparently I am invisible because I don't fit with the "GC feminists are the antichrist" narrative.

Boden? Fucking autocorrect. Biden.

Sadly, we need to get rid of the Orange Menace as a priority and safeguarding natal women will be a slow build.

Fanny
You have never read The Open Society and its Enemies and neither do you understand Popper's writing about the paradox of tolerance. What would Popper think of those who shut down speakers, promote #no debate, expect submission to the Orwellian redefinition of words and justify physical violence against heretics? What would Popper say about the metaphysical claims which can't be falsified? The recurrent feature of aggressive lobbyists? What would Popper say about the Year Zero zealots who believe they are on the 'right side of history?' Popper knew all about totalitarians and their fanatical intolerance of Enlightenment values. I suggest you educate yourself.

It is true he hasn't pushed forward any foreign wars. Good news to those in the ME I'd say.
Didnt bomb Iran over Soleimi.
Helped broker Isreali peace talks.
Things settled down in NK - from a foreign policy pov not for the people themselves, of course.

Ok so standards were low coming in, but certain elements of the media did lead us to expect we'd all be dead in a fireball by now.

He is an absolute prick who acts the knob on Twitter. Awful as a human being.
Has undermined global cooperative bodies.
Has done nothing on climate change - but he is not alone there.
But from a global perspective he is less bad than we expected.

I would (reluctantly) vote Boden

Sorry CaraDuneRedux but this is glorious. One of the times when I welcome an inability to amend posts.

Actually a fearfully naice floral frock probably would do a better job than Trump.

@BovaryX

He's been less hawkish than previous president

Absolutely. But that is not something that is acknowledged by the legacy media. Hillary was not only the ultimate Washington Beltway establishment candidate, she was an uber hawk. There is an anti war, anti imperial hegemony aspect of the Republican party who believe in libertarian, constitutional values. Rand Paul is an example. This is also ignored by many on the left.

That would never be acknowledged by the legacy media, they’ve pretty much supported any war started by Bush/Obama. Lots of grift around the defense industry in D.C. and their children never suffer the consequences.

For them, Trump’s hesitance to start wars is not a plus. I think I only read positive Trump coverage from the MSM when he was bombing Syria after a purported chemical weapons attack.

@7Days

It is true he hasn't pushed forward any foreign wars. Good news to those in the ME I'd say. Didnt bomb Iran over Soleimi. Helped broker Isreali peace talks. Things settled down in NK - from a foreign policy pov not for the people themselves, of course.

Ok so standards were low coming in, but certain elements of the media did lead us to expect we'd all be dead in a fireball by now.

He is an absolute prick who acts the knob on Twitter. Awful as a human being.
Has undermined global cooperative bodies.
Has done nothing on climate change - but he is not alone there.
But from a global perspective he is less bad than we expected.

7 Days I think that is a good summary.

"What would Popper think of those who shut down speakers"

Exactly what he proposed in the paradox - where those speakers are denying you the right to exist

As to violence against heretics - well, punching a Nazi I can get behind. Orwellian redefinitions is a characterisation many people make and so when Orwell gets trotted out I assume it's empty rhetoric. Though he would have punched Nazis too.

I find it weird that I'm even saying it BovaryX.
He makes my skin crawl in a visceral way.

But if those are the facts I have to give credit - grudgingly - where it's due.

@7Days

I find it weird that I'm even saying it BovaryX. He makes my skin crawl in a visceral way.

But if those are the facts I have to give credit - grudgingly - where it's due.

Yep. I agree. And I think in these days of great unreason, it is admirable to be objective.

@CaraDuneRedux

The finger wagging isn't working.

Nor are the reading comprehension skills

I said on the previous page if I were American I would (reluctantly) vote Boden, because of women's reproductive rights, and foreign policy.

But apparently I am invisible because I don't fit with the "GC feminists are the antichrist" narrative.

I too would vote Boden if I were in the US

I'd have voted for Hilary.
When Trump was elected I cried.

He is an odious individual who I felt shouldn't be able to represent a country I loved as much as the USA (I'm not American but I have close links.) I could not understand how the American people could have viewed his narcissistic, immoral personal behaviour and words as someone they would want to be their leader.

This time I'd vote for him.

What the democratic party has become frightens me more. Biden's stance on trans is not just frightening for women's rights, it's frightening for reality.

They have adopted a neo marxist view of identity politics and they are cynically using it for power.

No dissent is allowed or tolerated (as we see on this thread), you are condemn as evil for even asking questions or considering an alternative; there is a single ideology which must be adhered to and reality or facts will not be allowed to challenge this.
Words can change meaning, they will set the meaning, and you will comply.
This is what the trans ideology represents, women's rights are just a necessary casualty of this.

Their use of the BLM and the 1619 project are being used in the same way.

Trump is a nasty self absorbed clown of an individual, but the politics he's implemented are pretty much run of the mill liberterian repulicanism, which, it shocks me to say, is a whole lot less scary than the other at present.