Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

Nope. Funnily enough the name-calling isn’t winning me to your argument Fanny

Can't not can identity. Where is that edit button...

I've put my cards on the table. I've said what I think a woman is. I've said what I think women's rights are. I've said what I've done in RL for women's rights in the workplace.

All I've heard from Fanny are a load of completely unsubstantiated slurs and accusations.

Nothing about what she thinks who counts as a woman, what women's rights are, what she's doing in RL.

I invite her cordially to piss or get off the pot.

Either tell us what she believes and what she's doing, or withdraw the unsubstantiated slurs.

The US, the most powerful country in the World.
The choice for POTUS is between a senile/corrupt fool and a narcissistic psycopath.

You make me utterly sick, and utterly despairing. You're working towards Gilead and you don't even recognise it

. You know what makes me laugh? There is a serious assault on freedom of speech, rational debate, Enlightenment values. The cheerleaders of this attack on Enlightenment values want to sever words from their meanings and exert total narrative control. Their tactics involve denunciations, ad hominems, gratuitous smearing of people who don't share their political beliefs. They don't believe in diversity of opinion. They don't believe in freedom of speech. They don't believe in external reality. They believe they have the right to force obedience and compliance in their quest for power. The more this is made explicit, the more resistance.

between a senile/corrupt fool and a narcissistic psycopath.

I mean this still seems like a clear choice?!?

Not to mention the latter is also corrupt so why only apply that to the first.

Without a meaningful definition of 'woman', women's rights can't exist.

I don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.

It's ludicrous that we are having to fight for the definition of 'woman'. I entirely agree that we should not have to fight for this: there are other things we need to fight for.

However, the definition underpins everything else. How on earth do you fight for the rights of 'not males'?

So yes: the questions 'what is a woman' and 'what characteristics are shared by women and transwomen that are not also shared by men and transmen' are critical to working out who women are as a class, and what rights and protections are specific to that class.

I see a lot of people on this board agitating about our seeming-obsession with definitions. It is telling, however, that they tend to leave the board rather than answer any questions.

I guess if you are voting for Biden (despite his lies and sexual offenses and senility) you need to be looking more at the running mate. My guess is Biden would be stood down fairly quickly.

Trump is an arsehole, there is no way around that, is he more dangerous than Biden? At the start of this I think we all thought he'd have started world war 3 by now. In fact, despite his mouth, he has fared better than the world thought.

I still think it's a hell of a poor choice to have to make though

"Are you saying there's a difference between natal women and transwomen and they have different needs?"

Is this a serious question?
Are the needs of a woman, a human female, different to those of a transwoman, a human male?
Yes, it isn't rocket science, very different needs and if that makes me transphobic, then I suggest that 99% of all people are transphobic.

FWRLurker thanks for the explanation. I can see that must make it difficult and yet both Clinton and Obama had two terms in office. Was there really no opportunity in those 16 years do you think? Or was it more down to a lack of will?

Right, well the issue is that Clinton and Obama were in power when roe was not in question. There’s little need or political will to Preemptively punish states Financially for Passing laws that will simply be struck down In the courts because the SC has preempted with the roe decision.

Meanwhile anti abortion activists were working to pass such laws in order to provide a continual barrage of cases to test the courts, in case it ever came to pass that the SC had a majority willing to reconsider the issue.

Women who are denied healthcare under these unconstitutional laws are suffering right now. Dems got complacent for sure - “oh well thats already decided by roe and will be overturned in time” Doesn’t help the 12 year old denied an abortion after her father raped her right now. I do think that the repubS being in power has certainly embolden states to put forth more legal challenges without worry of being punished.

FWRLurker

You are right, in some ways they have a lot in common, just that the narcissist is openly proud about his faults.
If I lived in the US I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them. I honestly thought that Tulsi Gabbard would be in for a shout.

Dems got complacent for sure - “oh well thats already decided by roe and will be overturned in time” Doesn’t help the 12 year old denied an abortion after her father raped her right now.
Yes I see that and thanks for the explanation.
I think it does help to think about whether and how mistakes were made though, otherwise you just end up repeating them.

The smear campaign against Biden to make him look just as bad as Trump is sickening. All the ploys have been tried on this thread. Just as bad as one another. I'd vote for no one. He's old. He has dementia. Just fuck off. It's so transparent. Anyone with a moral bone in their body will be voting for Biden. There are a lot of Americans on Mumsnet. Including this one and you can fuck right off trying to hand that bastard another 4 years.

Tulsi seemed a bit of a crackpot To me, I would have preferred most of the others though including Sanders, Harris, Yang or mayor Pete.

They all would likely have recited “twaw” when push came to shove. Resistance needs to be more grassroots here - it will have to happen by political and legal action in the background, Dems quietly changing and clarifying exemptions to protect women while continuing to chant the mantra Publicly.

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Wow, I used to think that the difference between me and my US friends was that I sometimes used bad language (especially driving) but they never did. That must have changed - there seem to be a lot of bad-language-using women lurking here to-day. (and I mean that in the old fashioned f word sense).

@RuffleCrow

Up to 50 a day *@Gurufloof*?! Wow. Did not know that. I understood their stats were of a similar proportion to ours - i.e about 8-10 per week. I wish i was more shocked.

Ugh, this is how misinformation spreads. Dawn Wilcox never said 50 a day for female murders. She said she tracks femicide on a daily basis and it CAN be up to 50 a day, not it IS 50 a day. For example, in 2018 she tracked 1600 women. This 1600 number does not include murders where them being women is not an issue eg bystanders etc.

See article: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/11/the-nurse-tracking-americas-epidemic-of-murdered-women

Yes, quite a few Americans who seem petrified of MN and diversity of opinion so trying to shut us up rather than offer counter arguments.

Anyone with a moral bone in their body will be voting for Biden

Nope. Your Manichean thinking is showing. You don't occupy the Moral High Ground. You don't get to denounce the Independents and Libertarians who are not voting for Biden. The Calvinist ideology of the elect on display again.

The smear campaign against Biden to make him look just as bad as Trump is sickening.

There is no smear campaign. He is what he is, there are mainy actual videos of him blatantly lying but he generally gets an easier ride in the media than Trump. The media is all over trump's every move.

I find that sickening.

I'm no trump fan but also no fan of biden. We have a similar narrative in the way that Sturgeon and Johnston are treated in the UK (not they are standing for president against each other) where sturgeon can do little wrong and johnstone can do no right despite mostly doing the same thing.

I've said elsewhere (possibly this thread, possibly one of the other upcoming US election threads) that if I were American I would hold my nose and vote Biden.

They're both corrupt, senile old fools (and one is a psychopath to boot) but one or other of them will be the next US president. There is no third choice.

So it's "least damage" time. Vote Biden and you screw over women in prison, women in sport, women in need of refuges. Vote Trump, and you screw over all women of reproductive age, because Roe v. Wade will go, and any reasonable approach to funding reproductive healthcare.

It would break my heart to have to vote for Biden, but I would do it, simply because control over one's own fertility is the number one right women need - everything else flows from this. The option not to have kids when you need to finish your education. The option not to have more kids than you can afford to look after. The option not to be tied to an abusive man because he repeatedly rapes you and leaves you pregnant. The option not to be forced to give birth to your rapist's child.

From a selfish UK centric position, I'd also feel marginally less terrified with Biden's gnarled old finger on the nuclear button than with Trump's trigger-happy tweeting finger hovering over it.

This 1600 number does not include murders where them being women is not an issue eg bystanders etc.

Then you can not compare it to transwomen deaths. In the UK I don’t think there have been any deaths over the last dozen years where being a transwoman was the issue rather than eg drug debts, financial incentive, prostitution.

Absolutely no surprises there. The American left has been so utterly chewed up and swallowed by the trans issue, pretty much NO debate is allowed.

Unfortunately, it's either him or Trump and Biden is the only one talking about climate change, so if I was American I would feel I had no choice other than to vote for him.

It is really shit though.

Of course in reality, away from all the hoo-ha and what he HAS to say in public, Trump was very pro-Trans and was plenty vocal about it too. Anyone who's lived in New York for as long as he has, usually is.

'"You know, there's a big move to create new bathrooms. Problem with that is for transgender, that would be—first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way. That would be unbelievably expensive for businesses in the country. Leave it the way it is." Trump said that he would allow, say, transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner to use whatever bathroom she wanted at Trump Tower. '

www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-transgender-bathrooms-222257

I'm still hoping that Trump being in power will make the USA less relevant in the world. He's been less hawkish than previous presidents and was a big reason TTIP was scrapped, and we might even see Korean reunification one day because Kim and Moon are handling it themselves rather than letting the US insist on a seat at the table. Trump's bad for the USA but I worry that Biden would be bad for the world and signal a return to the previous ways of doing things, bombing everything in sight and deposing democratically elected governments. I'm tired of the UK government following the US on everything, that's been the way for about 40 years now and it's brought us nothing but austerity, inequality and illegal wars. Put it this way, I don't need the Duolingo owl to motivate me to study Chinese any more.

He's been less hawkish than previous president

Absolutely. But that is not something that is acknowledged by the legacy media. Hillary was not only the ultimate Washington Beltway establishment candidate, she was an uber hawk. There is an anti war, anti imperial hegemony aspect of the Republican party who believe in libertarian, constitutional values. Rand Paul is an example. This is also ignored by many on the left.