Joe Biden issues new statement on the transgender debate

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In a Q&A he said he'll reverse all 'anti trans' executive orders if he becomes president. He revealed again that he doesn't really know anything about the trans debate but implied he will still give campaigners everything they want twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1316913590620852224?s=20

I do think if you take Trumps personality out of it and just look at policies I think he has America at the heart of everything.
The US seems to have been booming. Covid aside.
Biden seems to be more about others countries and helping them out than what he can do for the average American.
He supports the under dog even if that underdog is at odds and against a cause/another underdog he has said he supports.

He can’t say he supports Women’s Rights and then say he will reverse all “anti trans“ executive orders.

He has to choose one and it looks like women will lose out.

@Iminthewrongstory

Certainly not trying to silence anyone - I posted for a little balance in terms what I think are the important issues for most Americans I know - and I know a lot. I am not aware of any American feminists supporting Trump, but apparently he's a hit here for some reason.

I'm surprised that the US politics discussions on this forum so quickly lurch rightwing/libertarian and convey such a sense of hopelessness.

But if you find it helpful, go for it.

Is that seriously your take on the views expressed in this thread?

I'm not American so not going to comment as anything but a cheesed off onlooker. But I do think characterizing the women here saying "Trump is a terrible human being but I'm not sure about how the hegemony of the two establishment elite parties can be resolved", as them finding Trump 'a hit', is a bit wide of the mark.

Sorry Bovary I had missed your getting called a troll.

What a state we are in.

@Floisme

Sorry Bovary I had missed your getting called a troll.

What a state we are in.

floisme To be perfectly honest, I think that the more these kind of tactics are used, the more people start to question the narrative. These attempts to control and dictate what topics can be debated, and the insistence that there can be no diversity of viewpoints aren't working. Cheers floisme

"I am not aware of any American feminists supporting Trump, but apparently he's a hit here for some reason."

Yes, the idea of Trump supporting feminists is a whole new level of crazy that I think few will have patience for right now. I've been skimming the thread for entertainment value though; we all need more laugh in our lives.

Well yes, it's fairly obvious you have done little more than skimmed this thread. And yet here you are.

Here I am, still laughing. Keep it up, girls! :D

@Auridon

Here I am, still laughing. Keep it up, girls! :D

You have just lost any credibility you might have had with that comment.

I don't think "unless you think like me I'm going to laugh at you" is very effective at getting people on board from the undecided middle.

BTW, if you missed it, this is the Lincoln Project ad put out, I think, yesterday. LP is a pro-Biden Republican group. It's aimed at women.

"You have just lost any credibility you might have had with that comment."

That's truly horrifying. Alright, I'll go away. Please feel free to continue where you left off, about being silenced by people with different opinions from yours.

I think one reason I'm interested in this (and I know my knowledge isn't great, hence asking questions before) is because the polarisation is so familiar.
We had our own version of this after the Brexit vote, when people deemed to have voted 'the wrong way' (who in fact spanned pretty much the entire left-right axis) were treated with such contempt by remain voters that it arguably contributed to a Tory landslide.

Not identical to be sure, but from over here I can see many parallels on this thread alone.

I think in this election Biden has stretched the approach of 'What are you going to do, vote for the other guy?' beyond breaking point. If he loses it'll make it harder for moderate Democrats to keep the Sanders wing out next time, which in turn will make it harder to win the country.

Even with a Biden win the problems remain as he'll stand down (or be stood down) for Harris at some point, and I can't see the Sanders supporters at the DNC being happy with seeing the candidate who finished, I think, seventh in the race (Biden, Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar, Buttigieg and maybe Yang or Gabbard) effectively parachuted into the hot seat over their guy.

Tough times to be a Democrat right now but, in the long run, maybe they need to go through this to come back stronger. That, or accept the increasingly inevitable and split the party.

@Auridon

"You have just lost any credibility you might have had with that comment."

That's truly horrifying. Alright, I'll go away. Please feel free to continue where you left off, about being silenced by people with different opinions from yours.

Oh grow up. You are not speaking to "girls" here. Your silly "keep it up girls" comment added nothing to the credibility of what you were saying. Nobody is silencing you by pointing that out.

Reading this thread with interest...not sure if anyone has mentioned this take., it's Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying discussing where Trump & Biden might be on the Political Compass Test - food for thought.

But otherwise is it a good idea to have someone with dysphoria (of any sort) in your fighting unit?

Well my thinking was more along the lines of..no dysphoria is needed to be trans these days. But of course, I wouldn't think it was much god to have anyone with any medical conditions really..DH apparently wanted to join the army when he was younger and fitter, and was refused because of his asthma. I know someone else who joined and ended up discharged as he broke a TOE in training. So seems they are shit hot on anything even slightly medical!

Surely saying Trump is the better candidate is hyperbole? You wouldn't actually vote for him in reality would you?

I'm behind on this thread, but I wanted to say something about this because I totally understand why it seems crazy. All of Trump's tweets, his ideas about everything, seem completely cracked and dangerous. And a lot of people are unhappy about him doing things like choosing a new SC justice. He's not been effective in pandemic leadership either, whether you are a supporter of hard lockdowns or Swedish style approaches.

On the other hand, if you look at the political policies his administration has actually enacted, surprisingly some of them seem to have gone over better than expected. And he's done some things along those lines that more conventional political approaches maybe wouldn't have found any success with.

I've never been able to figure out if Trump's successes are clever plans or random chance that works because it's just different than what the Republicans and Democrats have been doing for 50 years. But when you consider that Biden would also likely implement a lot of shitty policy, and would not step out of a single box, it doesn't seem so crazy that some people might see him as the poorer choice.

@HelloToMyKitty

I forgot that single issue voters do not care about Climate Change

Yeah, you did. It’s not very relevant to either voting base at the moment.

I think Climate change is an existential threat, but I don't think a Democrat would do anything about it, any more than my own PM, who ran in part on his environmental credentials, would. (In some ways he has been more damaging than our PM who was openly not a supporter, as people felt motivated to oppose him and take action at lower levels. )

To vote for Biden because he'll do something significant about climate change would end in disappointment.

As the post by Gurufloof indicates, that's misleading because it would suggest a number of nearly 20,000 women murdered per year. The actual number is much lower than that, maybe several thousand. That's still a tragedy but it's good to have reliable numbers in mind.

It's roughly between 3500 and 4000 annually.

I'm still hoping that Trump being in power will make the USA less relevant in the world. He's been less hawkish than previous presidents and was a big reason TTIP was scrapped, and we might even see Korean reunification one day because Kim and Moon are handling it themselves rather than letting the US insist on a seat at the table. Trump's bad for the USA but I worry that Biden would be bad for the world and signal a return to the previous ways of doing things, bombing everything in sight and deposing democratically elected governments. I'm tired of the UK government following the US on everything, that's been the way for about 40 years now and it's brought us nothing but austerity, inequality and illegal wars. Put it this way, I don't need the Duolingo owl to motivate me to study Chinese any more.

Yes.

It's a bit weird that people are claiming that some are denigrating Biden only because of his stance on trans issues. Weird as it may seem, there are actually any number of political considerations that might motivate people around this. Even leftists of the traditional kind might prefer Trumps treatment of global trade.

Had I a vote, I think I'd be inclined to be motivated by fear of Trump making a late night decision to press the red button. But - I also believe that if Biden is elected, moving forward the Democrats will simply look to maintain the course they have been on for 40 years. And that to me is bigger than Trump or Biden or either of their policies, because it will simply recreate the conditions that led to the election of a populist psychopath, and the further degradation and destabilisation of the system.
I could't vote for Trump to try and create a crises either, so I suspect I'd go third candidate or spoil my ballot.

@BlackWaveComing

Leftists who don't want to read Black conservatives might like to try reading Adolph Reed instead. He's not a conservative, but his perspective is a worthwhile addition to Kendi et al.

I'd reiterate this.

And one thing I find interesting is that he doesn't agree with people like Lowry or McWhorter on a lot of things, they do tend to all be on pretty much the same page in terms of dealing with actual numbers, sticking to empirical data, and so forth.

Also interesting, none of them are in fact Trump supporters, but they sure as heck don't accept this narrative that you just have to accept the Democratic narrative, or can't criticise it for serious problems, or that anyone who would vote against it is crazy and voting against their own interests. They all tend to be anti critical theory too.

Would you consider Biden to the left or right of our current UK government? From what I can see he seems to be to the right. Which just shows how much Americans misunderstand the UK political landscape when they talk about right-wingers here.

I've never been able to figure out if Trump's successes are clever plans or random chance that works because it's just different than what the Republicans and Democrats have been doing for 50 years.

I had the impression he doesn't really have any knowledge or particular opinion on most issues, so will just do as advised. I then presumed that in some cases, he is advised well.