Langcleg is vindicated

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Mumsnet thought that Langcleg was wrong to state safeguarding regarding children who thought they were trans. When langcleg argued for our kids Mumsnet didn’t like it. Mumsnet caved to the men. Instead of champion safeguarding, Mumsnet got rid of an expertise on this. Well, Langcleg was right and the Tavistock judicial review shows this.
Langcleg kept me sane in a world where others tried to gaslight me for my refusal to believe that my child was born in the wrong body.
Shame on you Mumsnet for cancelling the very people who help us parents. The voice of sanity. More importantly the voice of support. Do you really think langcleg did this for her own gain? No. She did this to protect us all. Gonna report this post now to bring it to the attention of the monitors.
Langcleg if you are still reading these posts I thank you so much for you help. I wish you were here now to comment on the Tavistock review and feel vindicated.

(To moonbase)

I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’

well yes. they are men

'Chased off' meaning in fact, explaining and putting the argument forward as to how women's needs and safeguarding needs can't just be put in a box out of sight. And refusing to do this.

No, I rarely see actually opposing views. I frequently see women here imploring those who support the ideology attacking women's rights to explain and give those views. But they never get explanation or anyone who can discuss it. They get a whole lot of (to summarise) just be kind, you're all a bunch of nasty people, there's no point in trying to explain anything, you're intolerant of other views (although I've put none forward and am making it clear that I'm absolutely intolerant of your woman-centred and safeguarding centred views) etc etc.

You can find this on many threads. I was shocked the other day that an activist did actually make it clear what their views were . They were not views I could agree with since they were quite extreme ones, but there was someone willing to say 'I think this, because this'.

Nope.

Self id is already embedded into practice in many places. It's already being pushed again by TRAs and Stonewall and Mermaids are still in force.

Meanwhile they've done their damage. An entire generation of children and teachers seem to be indoctrinated in the notion that gender stereotypes and preferences somehow meaning something about your biological sex. They truly believe that sex can be changed and that its just an internal feeling. And the forces like the stereotyping and pornification of women in society which drive some young women towards trying to identify out of "womanhood" (and some men into it) are still strong and out there.

We've seen one tiny temporary legal win, but we're nowhere near close to addressing the huge misogyny or hatred behind it all.

I won't be happy as long as I know that children are being medically damaged because their delusions are being supported by adults.

And I also won't be happy until only women play in women's sports.

And only women are in women's prisons.

And I don't have to check that news reports about women are actually about women.

But by far the highest priority has got to be protecting children from irreversible damage.

I’m baffled as to why I’m meant to be upset that male born ppl don’t feel welcome on FWR

This is the feminist board - it centres women

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’. I particularly disliked the way she trivialised cohesive control, at a time when woman all over were fighting for it to be taken more seriously as a crime.

@Whoiswrongg

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’. I particularly disliked the way she trivialised cohesive control, at a time when woman all over were fighting for it to be taken more seriously as a crime.

This is completely untrue. You need to provide proof of such an accusation.

Moonbasealpha
And forcing women to refer to males as 'She' is all that is good and kind, yes?

How many fingers?

I particularly disliked the way she trivialised cohesive control, at a time when woman all over were fighting for it to be taken more seriously as a crime

I don’t believe she did this

At all

Can i have a link pleasse

@Moonbasealpha

What exactly is the problem? I haven’t seen trans women posting on this forum now for months, maybe longer. Posters have successfully chased all trans people off here. Self ID is no more. So that’s been successfully shelved.

I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’. That’s what’s going on here.

You're not looking hard enough then. Particularly since the fall of r/gender critical.

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’.

No

she didn't conform to some mimsy view of how women should express themselves

this is the feminism board

you may want to adjust your expectations accordingly

(mimsy is my new favourite word today)

When you're discussing child safeguarding, it is black and white.

I miss her, and she was right and she changed the way I think about some important things

I miss her too. If you're reading this, Lang, hope you have a great day. xx

@Kit19

I’m baffled as to why I’m meant to be upset that male born ppl don’t feel welcome on FWR

This is the feminist board - it centres women

Decent blokes don't feel unwelcome here. We don't hear from them often because they have the sense and good grace to listen a lot more than they speak. They get the education they want without pestering women because they know how to read intelligently. One popped up a few days ago purely to say thanks - without soliciting any pats on the back, didn't get stroppy about some sceptical replies and the thread meandered off into a discussion about the Litter Tray and Dog House.

If there are men who aren't of that ilk - that's their problem.

I’m not referring to safeguarding obviously safe guarding is important but to say that this particular poster only ever posted about safeguarding is obviously a huge stretch.
And she regularly referred to coercive control with regards to mumsnet or posters or people, which completely trivialises a crime which sees women completely isolated and in fear every single day.

I know she’s worshiped here, I’m just saying I don’t agree from what I’ve seen. Obviously agree to disagree.

When you're discussing child safeguarding, it is black and white

and this. there are rules and guidelines to safeguard children

we know that when bad things have been allowed to happen to children it's often the case that if those rules and guidelines had been followed, the bad things couldn't, or would have been less likely to happen

but people are lazy
people like to be perceived as kind
people don't understand how devious and driven abusers are
people wrongly think they can spot the wrong 'uns so it's OK to make exceptions

The TRAs hated Lang because she was clear, consistent and could package up an arse handing in a few well crafted sentences.

Not content with her being banned, they now try to call her a bully. Lies and liars.

And she regularly referred to coercive control with regards to mumsnet or posters or people, which completely trivialises a crime which sees women completely isolated and in fear every single day.

This is not true. Provide examples.

She was making a certain point about coercive control on one issue.

I’m not a TRA I’m a woman with an opinion. We’re allowed them you know, even if it doesn’t match with your own.

Moonbasealpha:
What exactly is the problem?

The problem is some people think it makes sense to say trans women are women.

It does not make sense, you see (except in the degenerate way in which 'seahorses are horses' makes sense, for instance).

Some people find this difficult to understand. Result, problem.

There is a further problem in that some of the people who find it difficult to understand seem not to want to understand, so they do not try.

I am not sure why it is so difficult. I do have some idea about the not wanting.

People are strange, indeed.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

I meant when people would question some aspects, she was very black and white ‘all or nothing’.

No

she didn't conform to some mimsy view of how women should express themselves

this is the feminism board

you may want to adjust your expectations accordingly

(mimsy is my new favourite word today)

The lack of Mimsy 😆 is one of the reasons I love it here

It’s so rare that you see women expressing themselves so forthrightly

It’s also interesting how quickly that forthrightness gets described as aggressive, hectoring or strident

I do think Lang's tone was sometimes off, and she was black and white about things. As I've said before, despite agreeing with her on almost everything, she did occasionally rub me up the wrong way too.

But that's not to say that she was incorrect or wrong, or that she should have been banned (which I think was a mistake). As you say, a lot of it is about social conditioning and expectations. We can all read tones of voice differently online too.

Luckily, we don't have to massively like each other or agree on every single thing to work together on this.

@Whoiswrongg

I’m not a TRA I’m a woman with an opinion. We’re allowed them you know, even if it doesn’t match with your own.

Well, that depends - I mean if you've a man's name or posting style (confused] then you're probbaly a man or a TRA, didn't you know?!

not my actual views

And she regularly referred to coercive control with regards to mumsnet or posters or people, which completely trivialises a crime which sees women completely isolated and in fear every single day.

Many women here are survivors of coercive control. They're very alert to the dynamics when they play out elsewhere.