Langcleg is vindicated

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Mumsnet thought that Langcleg was wrong to state safeguarding regarding children who thought they were trans. When langcleg argued for our kids Mumsnet didn’t like it. Mumsnet caved to the men. Instead of champion safeguarding, Mumsnet got rid of an expertise on this. Well, Langcleg was right and the Tavistock judicial review shows this.
Langcleg kept me sane in a world where others tried to gaslight me for my refusal to believe that my child was born in the wrong body.
Shame on you Mumsnet for cancelling the very people who help us parents. The voice of sanity. More importantly the voice of support. Do you really think langcleg did this for her own gain? No. She did this to protect us all. Gonna report this post now to bring it to the attention of the monitors.
Langcleg if you are still reading these posts I thank you so much for you help. I wish you were here now to comment on the Tavistock review and feel vindicated.

Pun noted, Tinsel. Head gently shaking in acknowledgement...

@TinselAngel

Nobody's going to acknowledge my hilarious pun then?

What a delightful derail!

I bet you were steaming that you had to stoke up some interest, eh Tinsel?

I thought it was to the point(s).

Sorry, missed it Tinsel. Tunnel vision.

I stopped contributing to Mumsnet when they banned langcleg. I was disgusted that they banned her for fighting for me. She pointed out safeguarding which we all know was true. What Mumsnet doesn’t realise is that she kept me sane. She give me hope and helped me , a mum, from wanting to throw in the towel. She give me strength to be strong in my truth. She helped me understand what a responsible adult should do. She give me hope and supported me when I could not agree with my trans identifying child.
What did Mumsnet do. Cut off my support. It was not just langcleg. It was all the posters who understood my stance. Mumsnet was not supporting me - a parent who is caught up in the transing of kids. Mumsnet failed me by stopping the debate. Mumsnet couldn’t bear the pressure from TRA’s and they stopped supporting my belief. They did not allow me to have an advocate when I needed others to fight for me. I was too emotional but Lang Cleg and Datun and others were the calming influence.
Mumsnet said they want to encourage all views. If this is true then why did you cancel the most important person in my on line life?
Why did you take away my support? You centred men over women. Shame on you Mumsnet

So to get this back on track as it were...

I was beyond frustrated at the time, that Lang’s actual point about MNHQ mods not understanding how coercive control was used wasn’t acknowledged and yet the actions proved her point beyond any doubt.

That Lang was subsequently called a bully looked like Darvo to me.

I also think that Mumsnet thinks we are the minority. When this becomes more mainstream I hope they can say they give us, the parents who do no believe that life long medication and body mutilation is a justified pathway, a voice. That’s all we want. A voice to question.

OP those are moving posts. Yes of course we as parents should be able to question this, to talk about keeping children safe. I do feel that the clamping down has gone too far. If mumsnet welcome a range of opinions then they should not be policing what we can say to such a degree. I have had two posts deleted in the last couple of months, and yet I try to stay within the posting rules. It does seem that the deletions can be inconsistent. I also find it emotionally difficult to have to monitor what I say , to pussyfoot around issues that need frank and open discussion.
I would absolutely not have believed ten years ago that this would be the situation now.

Had you trained them?

Hahahahahahaa

No

Now wondering if you know me or have met me in RL as you've just described me and my sneezing fits

That’d be funny 😀

I sneeze many times in a row but mine are like bombs going off

Just for a friend...cheese stuffed dolmades always keep the peace x

I used to lurk on the feminism threads and sorry but I do remember her as being a bit of a bully. The best threads were those with opposing views and arguments as I learned way more watching intelligent debate around the subject but she did seem to shout most people down if they weren’t on her side and try and shut it down.
Not sure what she was banned for, but her name always stands out to me for this reason and I get confused seeing all the nicknames in tribute to her.

Mumsnet has no idea what this is like. When you can’t sleep and you want someone to say it’s ok I understand. When you cry and you hide your tears by having a shower at 2pm or later so your family don’t worry about the mum. When you wake up and be thankful that you have a job- not because it is amazing but because you have to focus on your work. When you do the housework that you normally hate but it is a distraction. When you eventually go to bed and wonder how to switch off and start to believe that someone, somewhere is fighting to protect your child. When you do all that and you reach out for support on a parenting forum and someone decides your voice is not worthy or the people who are trying their best from stopping you from Sinking are cancelled., what hope have I.
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I've been there OP, and one of the saddest things was around the time Lang was banned, the promising ROGD parent's support thread imploded because the posters felt MNHQ couldn't sufficiently guarantee their safety.

Tinsel I hadn’t realised that and what a sad consequence.

So much for supporting parents,

Not sure Who what the 'opposing views' on concern about child safeguarding might be? It's where MN has fallen down and appears bizarre and dangerous that naming that led to her being silenced. For many women here it exposed connections and political blind spots that some groups don't want talked about.

Not sure Who what the 'opposing views' on concern about child safeguarding might be?

Well yes. You’d think everyone would be concerned about child safeguarding wouldn’t you?

Yes, I rarely see an opposing view. When you've got overwhelming evidence, statistics, logic and reality in your corner, it's difficult to be opposed, to be honest.

What I see is goady nonsense, endless filibustering, sea lioning, disapproval and attempts at censorship, without a single actual opposing view in sight.

(Unless you include calling a violent flasher who sexually humiliates vulnerable women, 'the real victim here'.)

I learned a lot from Lang. She was challenging , but that's fine unless you think some mimsy version of civility is the be all and end all as MNHQ seem to. But only for women, natch. men get to say what they think.

even if it's some nonsense about how women on a feminism board should be nice to men because some of them have nieces. or something

I miss her, and she was right and she changed the way I think about some important things

What exactly is the problem? I haven’t seen trans women posting on this forum now for months, maybe longer. Posters have successfully chased all trans people off here.
Self ID is no more. So that’s been successfully shelved.

I think there are some posters here who won’t be happy until they can openly refer to trans women as ‘men’ and ‘he’. That’s what’s going on here.

@Datun

Yes, I rarely see an opposing view. When you've got overwhelming evidence, statistics, logic and reality in your corner, it's difficult to be opposed, to be honest.

What I see is goady nonsense, endless filibustering, sea lioning, disapproval and attempts at censorship, without a single actual opposing view in sight.

(Unless you include calling a violent flasher who sexually humiliates vulnerable women, 'the real victim here'.)

Yes, that thread was a treat, wasn't it?

Bollocks.

Posters are posting here about trans issues because of cases such as the Keira Bell case and because many young people are still caught up in the phase.

Safeguarding issues around it and other RSE related things, issues with porn and a wide range of other linked stuff still needs to be addressed.

There's been no magic wand.