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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ffs, amanda craig novellist dropped from mslexia

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Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 18:29

according to nick cohen on twitter, amanda craig novellist has been dropped as a judge from mslexia because she signed the jkr letter - a womens writing magazine! - absolutely shocking. and frightening.

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Itsinthetreesitscoming · 29/09/2020 18:32

If that's true, I am cancelling my Mslexia subscription which I have had for about 15 years.

Glinner · 29/09/2020 18:32

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Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 18:35

i will complain, cheers Glinner.

the utter idiots. i am furious with them ffs.

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PigeonToe · 29/09/2020 18:38

McCarthyism in 2020.

FindTheTruth · 29/09/2020 18:39

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stella47 · 29/09/2020 18:42

For fucks sake, I thought Myslexia was for women.
And Amanda Craig is a brilliant author, not that that's got anything to do with it.

RoyalCorgi · 29/09/2020 18:50

That's awful. I have subscribed for years. Will definitely cancel if they don't reinstate her.

Siablue · 29/09/2020 18:51

Another author who was on the panel with her said if they didn’t drop Amanda she would resign. They dropped Amanda. Ironically the bully complained about being the victim of a pile on when she was receiving very mild and entirely justified criticism. If she objects to women being criticised online she had a wonderful opportunity to make a stand against it but clearly she thinks that defending (the wrong) women from abuse is something so awful you need to be cancelled for it.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 18:56

utterly ridiculous. these people frighten me with their fucking fascism:

"i didnt complain i just said that i wasnt comfortable to judge a panel alongside amanda because of the letter"

this is another woman writer. unbelievable.

"i offered to step down in order to let her remain on the panel"

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yourhairiswinterfire · 29/09/2020 18:56

Wow, what a great look, punishing a woman for signing a letter expressing disgust at another woman being the victim of rape, death and violent threats.

What on Earth could be Mslexia's problem with that, exactly?

PigeonToe · 29/09/2020 18:57

What kind of writer can't bear to be on a panel with another writer who disagrees with them? What kind of author dooms themselves to an intellectual cul-de-sac like that? Mindblowing.

Kit19 · 29/09/2020 18:58

What writer kicked up a fuss?

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 29/09/2020 18:59

Going to buy an Amanda Craig book, and send her a supportive card.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 18:59

some self-righteous child. but the responsibility lies with mslexia- they should have laughed and told her to fuck off. why they didn't is bewildering.

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nepeta · 29/09/2020 19:04

@Helmetbymidnight

some self-righteous child. but the responsibility lies with mslexia- they should have laughed and told her to fuck off. why they didn't is bewildering.
Indeed. There's an enormous amount of fear, it seems, about not appearing virtuous enough, though misogyny doesn't appear to matter in how virtue is judged.

As an aside, I so want to understand where and how the gender identity concept so rapidly took over most of woke young feminism.

Was it in universities? And all those health care related sites which erase the word 'woman' and replace it with either 'people' (thus giving the impression that some health issue affects all people) or with some horrible synechdoche (vulva-owners or uterus-havers), do they do this because the trans activists keep complaining nonstop or do they do it because they want to do it for other reasons? And if it is the former, is it mainly, say, the nonbinary female-bodied people who complain or trans men or trans women or all?

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EdgeOfACoin · 29/09/2020 19:20

I hadn't heard of mslexia before.

So, let's see: a woman can't defend another woman being attacked without losing her job for it. A job at a magazine that exists to support women writers.

In order to keep their jobs at this magazine, women must only have the right kind of opinions. What constitutes the 'right' opinions is determined by other women, preferably the kind of women who have penises.

Got it. Mslexia must truly be a beacon of feminism.

wellbehavedwomen · 29/09/2020 19:23

Was it in universities? And all those health care related sites which erase the word 'woman' and replace it with either 'people' (thus giving the impression that some health issue affects all people) or with some horrible synechdoche (vulva-owners or uterus-havers), do they do this because the trans activists keep complaining nonstop or do they do it because they want to do it for other reasons? And if it is the former, is it mainly, say, the nonbinary female-bodied people who complain or trans men or trans women or all?

It's absolutely universities, and it's adults, not just the students. A couple of the nicest, brightest women I know revert to bots with this subject. By which I mean they don't make sensible, reasoned arguments. They parrot all the lines. Debating the right to exist/are trans people not human/transwomen are women (so no need to explore any conflict of rights because the long, long history of penis havers oppressing vagina havers, and being bigger and stronger in order to do it, is erased...) it's honestly bonkers and as has often been said, religious in overtones. Nothing else causes such rabid, kneejerk responses. Pavlovian levels of indoctrination.

The writer in question (who is wonderful - my eldest loves her book) isn't yet 30, and is a Cambridge grad. They're woker than woke there - which makes sense, given how enormously privileged most of them are, and how wholly unchallenging transactivism is to that privilege - their SU policy on trans rights was written by the woman who had that shit fit over Selina Todd's speaking at a feminist event. It's entirely possible that the writer in question has no idea anyone she respects feels differently - obviously she'll know many women who do feel very, very differently indeed, but none of them will dare apprise her of the fact. Women feel this one out carefully before talking openly, if they think their career could be harmed by someone reporting them. And given her behaviour over this, that caution will have been wise.

It's very sad. That she could read Rowling's words, and see them as hateful - far less deserving of rape and death threats. The fact any young women can believe another woman is deserving of such abuse, simply for having an opinion on women's rights, and women's very legal and social definition, is appalling. How can they not see that they are blindly centring male interests - even in the face of such male-patterned abusive behaviour? How can they not see that such starkly sexualised, sexist abuse aimed at one of us, is abuse aimed at all of us? That was the central thrust of Women's Aid's words, when condemning it. Does she now feel unable to support Women's Aid, too?

Aine82 · 29/09/2020 19:24

Don’t worry Kiran Millwood Hargrove, no need to protect your Tweets.

We’re not the crowd who will threaten to rape you, to curb stomp you, to choke on our appendages we don’t have, to murder you. We won’t start a hashtag #rip-insert woke name here-. We won’t boycott your books, or buy them to burn them.

Sorry if you’re uncomfortable judging a women’s writing competition with a woman author who was brave enough to speak out against such things.

Great way to get yourself some free publicity and the backing of the wokesters though 👍

persistentwoman · 29/09/2020 19:34

I saw a suggestion that people might buy one of Amanda's books in support so I've just ordered "A Vicious Circle".

A quote from my current book by the esteemed Robert Galbraith which I think sums up the Mslexia decision perfectly:

'If you look carefully' said Strike, 'you might just see an asteroid passing through the house of bollocks

PigeonToe · 29/09/2020 19:39

KMH doesn't deserve a social media pile-on for this. It was a silly thing to do and I'm sure she'll regret it one day, but the responsibility for ditching Amanda Craig lies with Mslexia. They really need to work out what they actually stand for.

TheShoesa · 29/09/2020 19:40

Well, this has prompted me to buy a bundle of her books - to add to the Jeremy Duns I bought earlier this year when he stood up for JKR while others stayed silent (not sure if he signed the Times letter, though)

RoyalCorgi · 29/09/2020 19:41

A Vicious Circle is the only one of Craig's that I've read, and it's great.

Perfect quote from Strike. I absolutely loved Troubled Blood.

notnowdennis · 29/09/2020 19:45

I cancelled my Mslexia subscription when they started saying that entries were for “anyone who identifies as a woman”. They couldn’t explain what they meant so I stopped buying after 20+ years. Stopped recommending it as well.