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ffs, amanda craig novellist dropped from mslexia

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Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 18:29

according to nick cohen on twitter, amanda craig novellist has been dropped as a judge from mslexia because she signed the jkr letter - a womens writing magazine! - absolutely shocking. and frightening.

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Itsinthetreesitscoming · 29/09/2020 21:43

Well looking at Twitter, there's a litany of children's authors and agents lining up to support Kiran Millwood Hargrave saying how brave she is, how horrible to go through with this. Yes, imagine how awful to be on a panel with someone with opposing views, someone who thinks it's not ok to abuse women online!

I seriously despair of children's publishing at the moment.

Supersimkin2 · 29/09/2020 21:52

Amanda Craig's a needle-sharp social observer whose state of the nation novels are also very funny.

If this makes people buy Craig's books, rock on Mysogynistia.

Supersimkin2 · 29/09/2020 21:55

What a coincidence. The unknown, albeit bloodthirsty, author has a first novel out on Thursday.

It's called The Mercies Grin.

HPFA · 29/09/2020 21:58

People might like this too:

twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1311040711475765254

DialSquare · 29/09/2020 22:00

Looks like I'm off to buy some of Amanda's books then.

Delphinium20 · 29/09/2020 22:00

@Aine82

Don’t worry Kiran Millwood Hargrove, no need to protect your Tweets.

We’re not the crowd who will threaten to rape you, to curb stomp you, to choke on our appendages we don’t have, to murder you. We won’t start a hashtag #rip-insert woke name here-. We won’t boycott your books, or buy them to burn them.

Sorry if you’re uncomfortable judging a women’s writing competition with a woman author who was brave enough to speak out against such things.

Great way to get yourself some free publicity and the backing of the wokesters though 👍

I'm cynical, but something looks like PR.
Glinner · 29/09/2020 22:05

they've taken down their contact page.

Stripyhoglets1 · 29/09/2020 22:07

Just inspired me to buy ACs book A Private Place - loved that book as a teenager!

Malahaha · 29/09/2020 22:09

@RoyalCorgi

A Vicious Circle is the only one of Craig's that I've read, and it's great.

Perfect quote from Strike. I absolutely loved Troubled Blood.

I've read The Lie of the Land and it is fab. I also have her latest book on Kindle but haven't read it yet (The Golden Rule).
BlueCatRedCat · 29/09/2020 22:11

Ugh, no more KMH books for DD. She likes KMH, but worships JKR. So many of these female kids' writers are standing on JKR's shoulders and kicking her in the teeth. She blazed the trail for them.

nepeta · 29/09/2020 22:19

I think the tombstone of feminism will read "BE KIND".

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 29/09/2020 22:20

[quote HPFA]People might like this too:

twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1311040711475765254[/quote]
👍

BlackWaveComing · 29/09/2020 22:21

The arts world is toxic. Deeply entrenched misogyny, with women constantly performing for men in order to be tolerated themselves. This is just the 2020 iteration.

There is no women's poetry mag I know of that is not open to and prioritises men. (If anyone here does know of one, message me please and share deets - I've got poems to send out!)

Removing Craig from a judging panel is craven, and it's also just a very recognisable form of arts-world bullying.

I shall be buying Amanda Craig's books, and recommending them widely. Best way to push back, imo.

WhereAreWeNow · 29/09/2020 22:56

Right, I'll go to the bookshop tomorrow and buy something by Craig. Hopefully others will do the same and she'll see the same spike in sales that JKR had.

JKRismyhero · 29/09/2020 23:01

Fucking ridiculous

PotholeParadies · 29/09/2020 23:01

Well, let's see how it works out for Mslexia financially.

I'm sure we all recall that a certain TRA accidentally got the Spectator about 1000 extra subscriptions after confronting the Coop and Troubled Blood has massively outsold its predecessor as a result of the libellous statements about JK.

Are people who stand with KMH going to get their debit cards out and take out Mslexia subscriptions? I've developed the impression that the dynamic only works one way. TRAs denounce anyone who steps out of line on social media and then they vow never to buy another book/DVD/petit filous. But they weren't spending money there anyway!

The TRA movement is dominated by the kind of person that wouldn't buy a book with a female author name on it and people who are in it for shouting abuse on twitter for free. Are they really going to take out subs to a women's literary magazine in numbers that outweigh the ones Mslexia will lose?

nepeta · 29/09/2020 23:22

wellbehavedwomen:
"It's absolutely universities, and it's adults, not just the students. A couple of the nicest, brightest women I know revert to bots with this subject. By which I mean they don't make sensible, reasoned arguments. They parrot all the lines. Debating the right to exist/are trans people not human/transwomen are women (so no need to explore any conflict of rights because the long, long history of penis havers oppressing vagina havers, and being bigger and stronger in order to do it, is erased...) it's honestly bonkers and as has often been said, religious in overtones. Nothing else causes such rabid, kneejerk responses. Pavlovian levels of indoctrination."

So they don't even see a possible conflict of rights or the kind of situation where women's rights would be lost if all the demands of trans rights activists would be satisfied? They have learned all this without any nuanced context, then.

My own surmise has always been that very young and fairly privileged white women in the West are enjoying the benefits of the second wave of feminism in that places like universities are not as sexist as they were not so long ago. It is possible, at that life stage and for that demographic to assume that women and men are fairly equal (with the exception of sexual violence) and that all the problems have been sorted.

But I would still think that smart individuals would consider the consequences of all the changes that are being demanded, and not only the consequences for transgender people but everyone else. Of course the mantra 'transwomen are women' makes that fairly difficult, though one might get somewhere by pointing out that the mantra certainly doesn't serve the transwomen if it is applied in, say, a medical context where obeying the mantra could result in death even. In other words, it is not true that 'transwomen are women' in all possible contexts.

Vargas · 29/09/2020 23:56

I’ve sent them a message via Their Contact Us page. I’ll be cancelling my subscription tomorrow. What a fucking own goal by them.

Vargas · 29/09/2020 23:57

And while I’m at it I’ll buy an Amanda Craig book...

StillNotAGirl · 30/09/2020 00:34

I'd not come across Amanda Craig before but she looks to be an author worth following so ordered one of her novels

TheoSawUs · 30/09/2020 00:54

Thanks for this - I’ve also just bought Vicious Circle.

JamieLeeCurtains · 30/09/2020 01:31

@nepeta

I think the tombstone of feminism will read "BE KIND".
Or maybe, Well they tried, but they just weren't kind enough. So we killed them anyway.
BothALarkAndAnOwl · 30/09/2020 07:51

If anyone’s on the Thresholds shirt story platform on FB, supporters of this decision are coming out of the woodwork. I imagine the thread will get pulled soon but any support would be welcome. The wokesters are already there..... (Also cancelling my Mslexia subscription.)

highame · 30/09/2020 08:18

'Go Woke, Go Broke' nothing else to say really.

SerenityNowwwww · 30/09/2020 08:22

I hope those cancelling their membership - do let them know.

Isn’t the person who lit this firework an employee? How can anyone argue against an open letter arguing that bullying and rape/death threats? What type of person is this? If I knew them in person I’d definitely be asking the question.