Redmayne Reverse Ferret

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Trending on twitter now. Apparently he's had a mysterious change of heart about burning the witch at about the same time as the DfE changed their guidelines for schools and the government kicked changes to the GRA into touch. Oh, and the JKR film franchise that pays his bills is revving up on the publicity circuit again.

@SerenityNowwwww

Just wandered through twitter... oh dear it’s getting nasty for Ed. I (genuinely) hope he is robust enough to read these and understand (or has someone managing his social media for him). Either way - wow it’s an eye opener for the others isn’t it?

link? He doesn't seem to have a twitter id?

You are implying that his portrayal of a transgender person (Lili Elbe) was inaccurate. Where is your evidence that Elbe did not do the things portrayed by Redmayne

Fair point...I’m sure elbe blinked

I went to see Eddie Redmayne in a play where his character made some comments to social justice warriors that fell on the wrong side of a boundary between women’s rights and Islam, leading to a riot.

It was a very good play and he was good in it.

Maybe that will have prepared him for his current situation.

He may not be on there but the children are having a tantrum nonetheless...

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He hasn’t changed his mind, he has literally just said she shouldn’t receive death threats for her opinion and is now the subject of a pile on.

I don’t like to see pile ons, but I do hope it has given Eddie Redmayne pause for thought about the people he aligned himself with.

(By which I don’t mean trans people, I mean the vicious online TRA army)

They seem to be saying that the part ought to have gone to a trans actor

Yes they do - someone like Laverne Cox. Because they believe casting men as transwomen increases violence against transwomen in real life.

The suggestion is that transwomen should be played by very feminine presenting actors like Laverne Cox. The problem with using someone like Cox for 'The Danish Girl' is that the main character is unequivocally male, but becomes gradually fascinated with the idea of imitating a woman. Cox wouldn't be appropriate precisely because Cox has had a lot of medical treatment and does look female.

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@MeridaTheBold

I don't think it's contradictory of him to disagree with her position and condemn the abuse she received. The timeline on it isn't clear to me so I'm not sure it was prompted by the government u-turn.

However, I do think it's disingenuous to make a statement that contributes to and encourages the cycle of abuse that you later condemn. And to do one in public but the other in private.

And to also gain financially and reputationally by appearing in one of her films. His disagreement with what she 'said' didn't extend to refusing to work with/for her did it? Publicly denounced her and privately wrote to her did he. Oh for the confidence of a mediocre man.

[quote NotTerfNorCis]They seem to be saying that the part ought to have gone to a trans actor

Yes they do - someone like Laverne Cox. Because they believe casting men as transwomen increases violence against transwomen in real life.

The suggestion is that transwomen should be played by very feminine presenting actors like Laverne Cox. The problem with using someone like Cox for 'The Danish Girl' is that the main character is unequivocally male, but becomes gradually fascinated with the idea of imitating a woman. Cox wouldn't be appropriate precisely because Cox has had a lot of medical treatment and does look female.

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It's interesting that in OITNB, Laverne's brother played pre-transition Sophia. Though I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say Laverne looks female, I'm not sure I'd believe her as male.

Reverse ferret? More like weasel words

[quote SerenityNowwwww]He may not be on there but the children are having a tantrum nonetheless...

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"Someone send Eddie Redmayne the Judith Butler interview. Get her, JB"

LOLOLOLLOLLOLOLOL

If we want the Overton Window to move then I think we have to welcome every vaguely positive comment. The current debate is toxic and harmful to women and, in my view, to the trans community.
So let them stand up in whatever small way they can. It may be virtue signaling of a different sort but at least it is a challenge to the virulent cancel culture that is destroying rational debate.

The suggestion is that transwomen should be played by very feminine presenting actors like Laverne Cox. The problem with using someone like Cox for 'The Danish Girl' is that the main character is unequivocally male, but becomes gradually fascinated with the idea of imitating a woman. Cox wouldn't be appropriate precisely because Cox has had a lot of medical treatment and does look female.

I'm pretty sure Laverne Cox could pass as a man just fine but, as a PP says her twin brother could play him before she was her.

That being so, I can't see any reason Laverne Cox wouldn't be an absolute ringer for Lili Elbe. Much more convincing than Eddie.

I do wonder how comfortable a transitioned person with dysphoria would be with deliberately presenting as their biological sex. Seems like the TRAs are asking for something potentially very upsetting there. If deadnaming is automatically hate, a request to deadface just for the sake of a film is pretty hard to justify!

Seems like the TRAs are asking for something potentially very upsetting there.

From the comments I've read they want someone of the opposite sex to play the part, so the transition would be the opposite of what really happened.

If he's lived a very privileged life, perhaps it's unsurprising that he is entirely incapable of connecting any dots.

The behaviour that he is explicitly condemning, and is hopefully quite shocked by, is the very behaviour that women are trying to exclude, by upholding single sex spaces.

Is he really too unintelligent to understand that the very men throwing vitriol at JK, and now him, are the ones clamouring to be let into women's spaces?

We aren't doing this for fun, Eddie. It's not you who will be cornered in a changing room, or a prison by these men.

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer

I do wonder how comfortable a transitioned person with dysphoria would be with deliberately presenting as their biological sex. Seems like the TRAs are asking for something potentially very upsetting there. If deadnaming is automatically hate, a request to deadface just for the sake of a film is pretty hard to justify!

That’s a very good point. They will have to ‘unlearn’ how to move ‘like a woman’ and go back to the natural movements of a male body, which is different because of muscle mass, length, pelvis, etc. How would they cope with the world seeing them without the heavy makeup, long hair/wigs, traditional female clothing, etc? They will be doing the equivalent of ‘outing’ themselves. It is bound to kick off any body dysphoria they may have.

He is a craven young man.

Transgender power couple Jake Graf and Hannah Winterbourne are sticking up for their luvvie friend Eddie. ‘He’s an ally folks so leave him alone‘ is their refrain. He’s not a transphobe at all apparently. Jake and Hannah were the ones who featured in a recent fly on the wall documentary about their surrogacy journey. Jake is an actor and knows Eddy well.

@ErrolTheDragon

for some reason, you can reverse male and female roles - that's edgy.

It seems to be almost de rigeur in Shakespeare productions nowadays - before lockdown we used to see a lot of stage to screen performances, and the person introducing them always but always had some mention of 'gender' (said in a special breathy sort of voice like it was edgy). Of course, quite a lot of Shakespeare plays have it built in, at least women dressing as men, presumably because of having lads playing these parts. And some of the sex swaps do work well - either because it simply doesn't matter to the part and there's a great actor (eg recent Timon of Athens) or because it changes the dynamic and perhaps adds jollity (eg the midsummer nights dream with Gwendoline Christie, in which the swap is to have Oberon fall in love with Bottom. )

At least part of the impetus for these things I suspect is because the female actors want a chance to play some of the great male roles. Which is totally understandable, but I don't know that it typically works well. As you say, sometimes it can be fun, and as a historical practice it's interesting in an intellectual sort of way. But mostly I find it unsatisfying. Even with a great actress, you 99% of the time just know they are not male and the roles are not necessarily interchangeable.

Oh! I still remember Fiona Shaw playing Richard II. It was mesmerising!

The breathy gender intros in the live cinema screenings are cringe (look how down with the kids we are! Look how relevant Shakespeare is!) but I have seen some great gender swapped Shakespeares of late. The Rose pop up Shakespearean theatre in York had a woman Henry V - she was mesmerising and smoking hot even to a non-lesbian... They also gender swapped Oberon and Titania which added to the dream-like slightly pantomime feeling. It worked without any fuss being needed. Quince was also a woman, no point was being made, she was just right for the part. I have started to find now that when I go to a completely traditional production it has started to feel a bit dull with nothing but white men on stage most of the time.

A while ago we saw a couple of touring productions by an all male troupe (iirc Screwdriver) - I suppose it was just like in Tudor times, though it did give a slightly different flavour to Taming of the Shrew.

Sorry I couldn't resist!

Saw Othello with Hugh quarshei - marvellous. His military leader was played by a fantastic actress with only one arm. Somehow it made her seem completely kick ass.

@sultanasofa

Oh! I still remember Fiona Shaw playing Richard II. It was mesmerising!

That could be said about Fiona Shaw in just about everything, though.