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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Redmayne Reverse Ferret

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AbsintheFriends · 28/09/2020 22:59

Trending on twitter now. Apparently he's had a mysterious change of heart about burning the witch at about the same time as the DfE changed their guidelines for schools and the government kicked changes to the GRA into touch. Oh, and the JKR film franchise that pays his bills is revving up on the publicity circuit again.

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highame · 29/09/2020 07:26

I really have hated what TRA's did and I really don't want to see us be the STFU kind.

Trying to guess why Redmayne has changed his mind is just 'time passing' we can't really know. I am glad he did.

I hope, for the many times I've changed my mind, including what I thought about the Trans debate, no one is standing there with the torch to light the flames.

One of our very own had a change of heart the other day, so just be grateful that what you hoped would happen, finally is

Tanith · 29/09/2020 07:50

Agree with Quillink.

I'd also add that a lot of what these actors are supposed to have said was reported by that pack of liars at Pink News and similar rags.

FUTeams · 29/09/2020 08:04

He's making the Fantastic Beasts film - he knows (has been advised) this issue is going to come up again in a 'Eddie you're supposed to be an ally, how can you take part in that bigot's film?' so he had to take a be kind to everyone position. I think he would much rather say nothing and keep his head down.
I'm grateful to any public figure who condemns the hate JKR has been getting - it makes it more likely that people will actually try and understand both sides of the debate.

PearPickingPorky · 29/09/2020 08:06

I have respect for people who reflexively came out in support of trans people and then later when they've considered the issue further realise that women are human too, children shouldn't be sterilised for non-conformity, and make a well-informed reverse ferret.

Don't think that's what Redmayne has done though. Spineless self-serving gobshite is right.

Also Pullman and King I just feel a big about. Especially Pullman; bore off.

Singasonga · 29/09/2020 08:07

I have no problem at all with people changing their minds on this. Many of us rolled along for years Being Kind, because we supported gay liberation and same sex marriage, and weren't the slightest bit horrified by the idea of femme boys or butch girls. It was only when we realised just how severe the overreach was and how blithely the trans lobby was giving away women's rights that the scales fell from our eyes.

So welcome aboard, Eddie. You're in good company.

TheRIDs · 29/09/2020 08:09

Stupid, cowardly little guys, he and Radcliffe.

Floisme · 29/09/2020 08:13

We need people to change their mind. That's how you win.

SerenityNowwwww · 29/09/2020 08:14

Did he apologise or admit he was wrong in any way?

Helmetbymidnight · 29/09/2020 08:20

I congratulate anyone who thinks this issue through and changes their mind. There will be thousands who do and who regret their previous behaviour

i think so and we do need to welcome them (while sniggering privately of course)

i had an argument about gender ideology three years ago with my cleverest most feminist friend and i came away quite wobbly/sad about it. - a couple of weeks ago, she said she told me she'd had a total turnaround. i hope we'll see this a lot.

TheElementsOfMedical · 29/09/2020 08:39

@Singasonga

I have no problem at all with people changing their minds on this. Many of us rolled along for years Being Kind, because we supported gay liberation and same sex marriage, and weren't the slightest bit horrified by the idea of femme boys or butch girls. It was only when we realised just how severe the overreach was and how blithely the trans lobby was giving away women's rights that the scales fell from our eyes.

So welcome aboard, Eddie. You're in good company.

This was totally me! (I'm not Eddie BTW).
persistentwoman · 29/09/2020 08:42

Agree with those saying that we must allow people to change their minds. There's a mountain to climb here. While it's enraging to see such hypocrisy, so many people are frightened of the bullies that every person who suddenly realises that maybe safeguarding, women's rights, freedom of speech do matter makes it easier for others to do the same.

KatVonlabonk · 29/09/2020 08:42

I think it's hard when people have taken such abuse when they stood alone.

Like when John Boyne spoke out, but Glinner wasn't having it. Its really tough.

I do think to build we need every scrap of help and momentum, though. To think that Stephen King was courageous to even say he liked JK Rowling's book. That's extraordinary. It's insane. It is Mccarthyism and all should stand against it.

Fair play to Eddie, they'll damn him now, but he's right. Let the world see what this ideology is?

AbsintheFriends · 29/09/2020 08:51

I think Redmayne's climb-down is positively laudable - especially as it included contacting JKR personally - in comparison to Radcliffe further painting himself into woke corner by saying he'd do more Harry Potter but only if JK wasn't involved.

It seems that last week was a bit of a watershed. The DfE and Liz Truss statements have given people an opportunity to weigh things up, look at the facts and reconsider. Those who persist with the 'evil transphobic bigot' rhetoric are the ones who are too addicted to virtue cookies and the idea of their own woke purity to care much about what's really going on with children, or genuine bone-deep misogynists. I'm not going to give Redmayne a round of applause for being neither, but I'm glad he's spoken up.

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SerenityNowwwww · 29/09/2020 08:56

Remember the wizard of oz when toto pulls back the curtain and the non scary wizard is sitting there? People have been listening to the loud shouty scare lingering voices - the threats, the calls for sacking (as well as physical threats), the bullying... mostly online. Who is behind the curtain?

PearPickingPorky · 29/09/2020 09:00

I think Redmayne's climb-down is positively laudable - especially as it included contacting JKR personally - in comparison to Radcliffe further painting himself into woke corner by saying he'd do more Harry Potter but only if JK wasn't involved.

Hang on, WHAT?!

Radcliffe said that? Shock

How did I miss that?

highame · 29/09/2020 09:05

He wont be doing anymore HP films then will he. Ooohh that's a difficult one

highame · 29/09/2020 09:06

She should write another one just to really hack him off

Davros · 29/09/2020 09:09

"Did they in turn nick it from Jesus?
Dogma, religion ...same old, same old."
Nae doot ErrolTheDragon. Dogma is dogma is dogma

ErrolTheDragon · 29/09/2020 09:10

@SerenityNowwwww

Remember the wizard of oz when toto pulls back the curtain and the non scary wizard is sitting there? People have been listening to the loud shouty scare lingering voices - the threats, the calls for sacking (as well as physical threats), the bullying... mostly online. Who is behind the curtain?
Depends who you are, doesn't it?
AbsintheFriends · 29/09/2020 09:11

Pear, it's not the most prestigious news source, but it was spread far and wide on twitter. (The word 'reported' could be doing a lot of work here, and 'according to our intel' doesn't inspire massive confidence...) Hopefully Daniel will be along any moment to say it's all rubbish and he'd be honoured and delighted work with JKR again.

wegotthiscovered.com/movies/daniel-radcliffe-reportedly-open-harry-potter-return-jk-rowling-involved/

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Thinkingg · 29/09/2020 09:12

@MadameButterface

I think it’s possible to take issue with what someone says but also condemn death threats against them, there seems to be little room for nuance on either side of this though.
Absolutely. Why can neither side seem to accept this - that you can disagree with, and criticise someone's opinion but abhor abuse against that person.
BewaretheIckabog · 29/09/2020 09:20

I can’t see anything saying he supports her views or has changed his mind just that he thinks the abuse and vitriol JK is receiving is wrong.

Apparently saying that makes him a transphobe according to Twitter but can’t see where he’s said anything remotely GC - am I missing something?

RoyalCorgi · 29/09/2020 09:23

As it says in the Bible: "There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who do not need to repent."

All depends on whether Redmayne is sincere or not. Who can tell?

gardenbird48 · 29/09/2020 09:27

gosh, he's still going - approx. 22k tweets now and as far as I can see most of them are very cross at him. No death threats though.

At this point, he has still said that he disagrees with JK's views and has trans friends so his only 'transgression' is to say that he condemns the hate that she is getting for having opinions. What will he do next??

Doyoumind · 29/09/2020 09:28

He's still trending this morning so at least he is bringing attention to the subject.