I ❤️ J K Rowling Spreading across USA

[Winesalot]

Now in Salt Lake City, Utah.

twitter.com/christophelston/status/1309685206283030528?s=21

‘ Salt Lake City loves JK Rowling! ❤️

Thank you to our new friend who has decided to take a stand for JK, for women and children, and for the State of Utah.

Sir, you are the best. Those 15 boards throughout the State have never looked so good!’ 26/9/20

Apparently the San Francisco billboard is was up today and seen by 1/2 million drivers.

And they are going up in about more 40 locations in the USA according to Chris.

Thank you Chris and the donors. I think there is a bit of crowd funding happening too.

Are you happy for male bodied individuals to be incarcerated with women prisoners, compete against women in power sport, deliver smear tests as women and be given access to specifically women's aid shelters and rape refuges?

But saying no they shouldn't be might raise trans suicide rates! Fuck vulnerable women involved, trans suicide!!

Sorry I find this really disgusting tbh. Continually trying to guilt women out of standing up for their rights by using suicide stats that may or may not be accurate, but are irrelevant to the conversation either way. I refuse to believe trans people kill themselves en masse because women say no and insist on speaking about their own experiences. Sorry.

I said her tweets were irresponsible. I never mentioned her essay. I had only read the letter she and Atwood signed among a bunch of other authors.

Which of her tweets do you find irresponsible?

Why doesn’t she share research that confirms trans rights if she is truly in support and not just trying to prove a point?

What do you mean by this? Confirms trans rights? WHY should she be focussing on anything to do with trans rights, when her concern is womens rights and spaces?

When people are campaigning to remove womens rights, do they also spend the time to 'share research to confirm womens rights'? Are they expected to?

Why are only women supposed to focus on everyone except themselves?

I don't really follow the idea that people saying I

Why are only women supposed to focus on everyone except themselves?

The RNLI raises funds to buy new lifeboats. What about guide dogs and asylum seekers and birds and animal cruelty and clean water and famine relief? What bigots, not to campaign on all those other issues as well.

Fine. danascully96 fucks off before aknowledging my post.
And I wasn't even judgemental in it. Honestly, why do we bother?

For she judged us.

[quote danascully96]I’m saying we shouldn’t have to denigrate other social movements so that we can assert our rights. What did you think of the studies I shared? I’ve got another: psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-31802-001[/quote]
Maybe you should summarize this one since it is behind a pay wall ?

So I have had a look at these studies and yes, they all show high statistics. However, as I pointed out earlier these studies do not show comorbidities, they do not show comparison data for other mental health issues (and now, of course, GD is not even needed for a diagnosis and through lobbying is not considered a mental health issue). At least the first study acknowledged just how limited the reliability of the data was. Plus it included self reporting.

Plus, as I mentioned, there has been at least one clinician who has also noted the issues around a) treatments that have issues such as failed phalloplasties etc b) realizing that the treatment did not achieve the desired results because it may have been the incorrect treatment and c) untreated other health issues left undiagnosed or untreated in the rush to transition.

So, thank you for posting the links however, nobody denies that there is likely a higher rate of suicide amongst the group. We do question and will continue to question the use of these not very clear statistics as pressure to make changes to law and language to the detriment of women and children.

Certainly, this is a minority group that contains some vulnerable people. They should be receiving as much mental health care as they need in an ideal world, as much as they can afford in a less than ideal world. Like all people with mental health problems.

In places where they have rights already established such as the UK, are they more vulnerable than many other groups, including groups of women whose rights we are fighting to maintain? I can think of several groups of women and children that I consider more at risk and more vulnerable. So, I do question the way this group has approached this.

I said her tweets were irresponsible

Anyone who holds Joanne Rowling responsible for someone choosing to take their own life is the person who is irresponsible. And the lobby groups who have not been focused on real gains in providing greater mental health care to improve acceptance of themselves and their lives.

@danascully96

I said her tweets were irresponsible. I never mentioned her essay. I had only read the letter she and Atwood signed among a bunch of other authors. Why doesn’t she share research that confirms trans rights if she is truly in support and not just trying to prove a point? I’ve made my position clear and have even conceded some of your points. If my words are rants to you, then I’m going to fuck off. Thanks for the enlightening convo.

No answers to anyone's points. Daft assertions that no-one's made. And weird points that are relevant to nothing anyone's claimed.

Got it.

🤣

Thank God this shit isn't going to be taught in schools anymore.

From what I understand, talking about suicide is more helpful than not: http://suicideprevention.nv.gov/Youth/Mythss^^/^

That's not what our UK media guidelines are from the Samaritans. Causation should never be attributed to one factor, especially when dealing with young people. Are you aware of the phenomenon of suicide contagion?

Signs of an abuser tbh, weaponizing suicide in such a way. I had an ex who did this, and I stayed with him for years more than I should as I believed that if I left I would 'cause' his death. Of course, it would never have been me, had he chosen to do it. Blaming feminists for the (possible) suicides of transpeople is therefor fucking gross to me tbh. But oddly common..which always interests me. Do as we say or you are literally causing deaths, give up your rights or you are basically a murderer

Yes, completely agree. It's oddly common, because they are using it as a gotcha argument to shut down dissent. It is not acceptable to blame others, particularly those speaking up for themselves, for the poor mental health of people.

Don't people realise that claiming women's boundaries are responsible for suicidal thoughts in men, makes the men look absolutely unhinged.

Not exactly an advert for inclusion, is it?

I’ve provided peer-reviews articles, you’ve provided an essay and an article from a website that is anti-trans (fairplayforwomen.com). My stats were at least from scientific journals

It would be good for you to engage with other people's arguments rather than dismissing the evidence they present out of hand as "anti trans", especially as it seems many of the people here are more informed than you about a number of relevant things.

Don't people realise that claiming women's boundaries are responsible for suicidal thoughts in men, makes the men look absolutely unhinged.

Not exactly an advert for inclusion, is it?

Quite. Really not sure why people think this is some sort of slam dunk argument. Unless they really have no regard for women at all. What if our boundaries and feelings being so comprehensively trampled on makes some women depressed and suicidal? Who has even asked that question?

Yeah datun. Women asserting their boundaries cause men to be suicial

And yeah ereskh some of the shite that men trot out might make women feel suiciadal

But hey we are just women

Let’s face it, anyone who uses phrases like stepping on the neck of another minority for our own elevation in regards to the efforts women are making to maintain the protections for their needs is here only to shame women discussing those protections and how to keep them. And to explicitly blame another woman, who has spoken out about these rights using language that is clearly making a case for those rights, for other’s decisions and poor mental health.

@Winesalot

I said her tweets were irresponsible

Anyone who holds Joanne Rowling responsible for someone choosing to take their own life is the person who is irresponsible. And the lobby groups who have not been focused on real gains in providing greater mental health care to improve acceptance of themselves and their lives.

Hear, hear!

👍

Now in Washington DC!

twitter.com/christophelston/status/1310654506766462976?s=21

I came across this rather interesting update from @christophelston

twitter.com/christophelston/status/1311533465142140928

He says that "all the transphobia nonsense (In the USA) and the TERF wars "just comes from a relative handful of confused teenagers and young woke ‘adults’ sitting in their basements, firing off nasty tweets while playing Fortnite."

I suspect though that there's more to it than that. To me, it sounds as if the US is completely captured. That everyone just goes along the mantra.

Are the American I❤️JKROWLING posters faring better than they do here?

@CopsCantCatchCriminals

Are the American I❤️JKROWLING posters faring better than they do here?

I want to know this too. Am I right in thinking that they're not being taken down immediately? if so, that's an improvement

Well. The posters in the US seem to be left up. What condition they are in is another story. Chris seems to be activating multiple signs in a region in the US so the message in some areas really cannot be missed.

The Vancouver poster was vandalised before it was removed within 24 hours of it going up.

I think Chris is still crowdfunding to put up more.

He says that "all the transphobia nonsense (In the USA) and the TERF wars "just comes from a relative handful of confused teenagers and young woke ‘adults’ sitting in their basements, firing off nasty tweets while playing Fortnite."

I think he's correct that they are a significant proportion of the anime avatar crew on Twitter.

I have Bipolar and BPD. The Trans suicide rates thing gives the fucking rage if I’m honest.

I have a something like 80% likelihood of killing myself with my combination of MH diagnoses. I’ve tried several times. I’m thankfully well right now, but does this mean that when I’m not I should be pandered to? Can I get everyone else to agree that yes, my reality is the real reality?

Why is Trans the magic word for this? It’s nonsense. This is not how we deal with people at risk of SH and suicide.

Is it just me, or does all this dramatic threatening to kill themselves basically amount to little more than emotional blackmail?
In no other area of society do we alter behaviour or laws to placate a group threatening self harm. To claim that they must override women’s rights and have free access to all our single sex spaces, “otherwise it will be our fault they kill themselves” doesn’t deserve a moment of anyone’s serious consideration.
If they are genuinely mentally ill enough to be suicidal they need psychiatric help.
And yet they repeatedly insist that theirs is not a psychiatric condition. Trying to have it both ways, and abandoning logic and reason in the process, no?