Labour continuing to support self-declaration

[Polynerd]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned but the official Labour Twitter account tweeted this earlier today:
It is deeply disappointing that the government has let trans people down and dropped its plans to reform the Gender Recognition Act.
Labour is committed to equality and we continue to support updating the GRA to introduce self-declaration for trans people.

they really don't want to win ever again, do they? :(

Labour is totally unelectable these days, they have some great ideas but things like this drive me away for good. They won't be getting my vote until there's a serious reform.

I just want Keir Starmer to explain how a lawyer could argue that a woman had suffered indirect discrimination if there is no objective way to explain what a woman is.

How does the protected characteristic of sex work?

Why are they doing this? Can't vote for them until they wake up.

They think that by his will get them the ‘yoof’ vote. If they thought they ‘yoof’ spent their time fox hunting and bear baiting, then they’d up for that. Bunch of chancers. We won’t forget.

This leaves me politically homeless but how can we change this from the outside? If they’re only listening to one (very small) side.

You cannot have single sex spaces, groups and sports while simultaneously allowing any person to self id. What’s not to understand?

It's breaking my heart to say this but I can't see me voting Labour again if they stick with this stance. I've been a member of the party and a local activist for years but I can't agree with self ID. I feel sick..

Well that's me thoroughly politically homeless then. You really have to be going some to make a party led by Boris Johnson look like the ones with the firmest grasp on reality, but fuck me Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have all now managed it. They can all fuck off. I was giving Starmer the benefit of the doubt, but I will never vote for a party who make it so clear they care more about woke points than about the physical safety of women.

Ok Labour, once you've tried to cash your woke points in for votes and realised the exchange rate is the square root of fuck all, don't come crying to women - we've seen you now and we won't forget. Wankers.

“Well that's me thoroughly politically homeless then. You really have to be going some to make a party led by Boris Johnson look like the ones with the firmest grasp on reality, but fuck me Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have all now managed it.“

Yes, this!
I will never vote for a party that supports self ID.

FFS I cried when I spoilt my vote last time & it looks like I’ll have to keep doing it.

Absolutely dreadful that after the suffragettes fought so hard for women to have the right to vote, many women are now feeling unable to vote.
I'm sure I'm not the only person whose choices are either not vote at all, spoil my paper or vote for the Conservatives as atm they seem to be the only party that even know what a women is.

@peachsquish

Absolutely dreadful that after the suffragettes fought so hard for women to have the right to vote, many women are now feeling unable to vote. I'm sure I'm not the only person whose choices are either not vote at all, spoil my paper or vote for the Conservatives as atm they seem to be the only party that even know what a women is.

I wrote an essay on the ballot paper last time. I expect it was filed in the bin. I've always been enthused by and engaged in politics, but I feel utterly cast adrift and politically homeless.

Labour is totally unelectable these days

But they are trying to look electable in comparison to Johnson by highlighting Keir Starmer's serious lawyer credentials.

However, nothing they say on this issue makes sense. Their only hope is that Crispin Blunt attracts more attention than Lloyd Russell-Moyle.

This is so sad and frustrating. It does seem that they don't want to win. I have noticed that some on the left want what they see as the moral high ground at the expense of winning. FFS do things that would make you likely to win an election. This is not one of them! Get in power as quickly as you can and start changing disadvantaged peoples lives for the better. You exist for no other reason. (And you certainly don't exist to collect woke points)

Go woke, go broke

When will you learn Labour?

They just don’t like women.

They have showed this for years

I don’t like any party that consider women as well just nothings

As for Creasy blocking women. Bellend

Only the right sort of women can tell her about misogyny

Perhaps she should give us guidelines on what sort of women she won’t block

Kind women I would think and no uppity ones

Jeez she is in public service. That means us not just the right sort of women

Do your job Creasy and stop blocking women

@janetmendoza

But I don’t want Labour to get into power quickly while they are in thrall to the momentum fuelled wokerati. If Corbyn or even Starmer had been in power the GRA reforms would have been passed without a murmur.

It seems that the Tories are the only party who will safeguard our rights. Unless there is a seismic in the body politics of all the opposition parties. And not even a drumming in a GE has effected that so far for Labour.

They just don’t like women.

Oh yes. They've been briefing that they want to reconnect with red wall voters. Appealing to “decency, fairness, opportunity, compassion and security”. Making it clear they don't think patriotism should be a dirty word. But, what do you know!? They're sticking with self Id. They know neither the working class voters they need to win back, nor the woke brigade gives much of a sh*t about gender critical feminists, so let's just maintain the status quo, stick with our position on self ID to appease the youth and bank on the fact that it won't even come up in the red wall seats. Meanwhile, if you're a complaining middle age woman who's learned a bit too much about how all of this is works, well Labour's not for you. Literally the only hope is getting this issue right in front of the people whose votes they really do want.

How does the protected characteristic of sex work?

Under self ID, where everyone chooses their own sex, the protected characteristic of sex would be like the protected characteristic of religion, where everyone chooses their own religion and beliefs. So people could be protected from discrimination on the grounds of their self-declared sex, but there would be no single-sex spaces, because everyone (of either sex) could just self-identify into them.

I think that's how it would work, but perhaps there would just be no protected characteristic of sex at all.

This is so sad and frustrating. It does seem that they don't want to win.

They do want to win.

It's just they believe that GC women are not an electoral pivot point.

They value more the woke and the predominantly male electorate that don't give a shiny shit about this issue.

They under value and under estimate our numbers and our resolve.

They don't see us chipping away at identity politics within the home, the workplace etc.

They don't condescend to read the articles (and more importantly the comments) in The Times and The Spectator---- because the assumption is the readership is right wing, when in fact the growth in readership is driven by the centre left and GC women who've been exiled by their policies.

The very fact that allegedly Starmer wants this issue to "go away" is a big part of the problem Labour faces.

Ignoring it won't achieve anything - it's a cowardly response not deserving of being in government but even the main opposition.

Labour is having a massive identity crisis. They have forgotten class-based, structural analysis, and are now scuttling aimlessly around chasing woke-sounding causes.

But even the young and woke grow older, and a large proportion of young women go on to have children, which is when the impact and consequences of biological sex truly hits you. All the beliefs we used to have, about how society is very nearly completely equal for men and women, unceremoniously die in a pile of dirty nappies, when your career slows down or grinds to a halt. Very often, this also awakens women’s sister solidarity, and the beginning of understanding women as a class. These women quite literally have no time for flippantly playing with gender as if it were an identity.

These women not only discover the sex-based inequality we are subject to, but also suddenly start caring a very great deal about safeguarding children.

Labour will never get into power with only the votes of middle-class metropolitan men, and childless women under 25.

I think Keir Starmer has very little time or patience for a bunch of blue haired TRAs, but is choosing to fight his battles one at a time, and give the TRAs a little more time to expose themselves.

'They don't want to win' 'They're fucked' 'Get woke go broke'

Woah neddy

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservative-poll-yougov-result-keir-starmer-boris-johnson-lib-dem-b501902.html

I'm an old millennial floating voter. Have voted for all of the main parties on a local or national level at various points over the last 20 years.

I was furious over the way the Conservatives handled Brexit and honestly thought I would never vote for them again.

Then I found out about this issue. And I discovered that Labour, Lib Dems and the rest can't even define what a woman is. I saw Lisa Nandy and Rebecca Long Bailey condemn women's groups as 'hate' groups.

Brexit is done. The country will have massive problems no matter who is in charge.

However, the fight is still on for women's rights. I want to make it clear to any MPs reading this: as long as Labour doesn't know what a woman is and as long as it insists on dismantling the rights and protections of women, I will not be voting Labour, either on a national or local level.

My husband feels just as strongly about this issue. So even if Labour is willing to lose the vote of a silly little woman like me, fretting her pretty little head about things she can't possibly understand (like how a woman can have a penis) it may want to note that it is losing the votes of men over this too.

Labour is having a massive identity crisis. They have forgotten class-based, structural analysis, and are now scuttling aimlessly around chasing woke-sounding causes.

It’s very obvious that Keir Starmer is trying to avoid culture wars and is very much NOT chasing woke sounding issues.

The question is whether he can bring the rest of the party with him, and whether he is right to assume that he can avoid this issue because most people aren’t aware of it.