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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour continuing to support self-declaration

272 replies

Polynerd · 24/09/2020 17:50

Apologies if this has already been mentioned but the official Labour Twitter account tweeted this earlier today:
It is deeply disappointing that the government has let trans people down and dropped its plans to reform the Gender Recognition Act.
Labour is committed to equality and we continue to support updating the GRA to introduce self-declaration for trans people.

Labour continuing to support self-declaration
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Ghouliet · 24/09/2020 18:24

Nope I won’t go back to labour on the back of that which is such a shame. Lib Dem’s can sod off too.

JamieLeeCurtains · 24/09/2020 18:25

Yeah, bye bye Labour. 👋

Women's rights supporters are sick of this craven shit show.

Codexdivinchi · 24/09/2020 18:25

Also I will never vote for them again if they carry on with this. My entire family are labour voters but I left after the two women labour candidates told me my rights as a woman didn’t matter - and I’m doing my best to convince my other family members what a travesty for all our young girl family members it will be if they get back in again

Polynerd · 24/09/2020 18:27

I've emailed Liz Truss to thank her... might email Keir Starmer while I'm on a roll.

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NecessaryScene1 · 24/09/2020 18:27

The one party (afaik) other than the Conservatives that has come out as firmly sane on this is the SDP. Only problem is they're currently even less electorally significant than the LibDems.

I'll certainly be considering voting for them next time.

FartyLabrador · 24/09/2020 18:29

I would really like to be able to vote Labour, but I can’t while they don’t care about women. It’s really depressing. We will be stuck with the tories for a long while.

zen1 · 24/09/2020 18:30

I held off cancelling my membership thinking I’d give Keir a chance. However, I can’t see any reason to keep it now. Could never vote Tory, so guess I’m still politically homeless.

Notmydaughteryoubitch · 24/09/2020 18:30

Also a saddened lifelong Labour supporter. Throwing women under the bus to get the young hipster woke vote.

Norma27 · 24/09/2020 18:30

I'm a floating voter. Definitely not voting labour if they do not care about women.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 24/09/2020 18:31

Nope. Not voting Labour again.

BiggerBoat1 · 24/09/2020 18:32

Good. They get my vote. They did anyway.

BlackForestCake · 24/09/2020 18:33

I know that some genderists would like Labour to take an even harder line, but it's still remarkable that Labour is standing up much more strongly for transgenderism that it ever has done for striking workers, refugees or benefit claimants.

Kit19 · 24/09/2020 18:34

They’re being remarkably stupid! They don’t have the numbers with the youth vote to out vote the middle aged & older women

They are completely out of step with the public on this & it seems they’ve learned nothing at all

StephenKong · 24/09/2020 18:36

@Notmydaughteryoubitch

Also a saddened lifelong Labour supporter. Throwing women under the bus to get the young hipster woke vote.
It didn't work last time, have they learnt nothing?!
AviceCaro · 24/09/2020 18:37

Another ex-member of the Labour Party - definitely won't be voting for them again.

FartyLabrador · 24/09/2020 18:37

There’s doing what is right, and there’s doing what is easy. I was really hoping they would stop following the easy route and stand up for what is right. But it turns out they’ve wussed out again.

SwimmingCait · 24/09/2020 18:37

Yep, another floating voter here. Have voted Green once, and probably apart from that 60/40 Lib Dem/Labour. Spoiled my ballot last time round for the first time ever. Since then, despite the rest of the mess we are in, the Tories have moved things in the right direction. I might vote for them rather than spoiling the ballot next time. Certainly won't vote Labour (or Lib Dem or Green).

:-(

yoikes · 24/09/2020 18:38

Yep.
That's me done too.

stumbledin · 24/09/2020 18:38

This is the Labour Women's Declaration on the Tories GRA statement

... It was deeply disappointing to hear Labour’s Shadow Secretary for Women and Equalities, during Women and Equalities questions in the House of Commons on 23 September, describe the decision to retain the current process for the acquisition of a Gender Recognition Certificate as ‘disgraceful’ and regarding it as letting the transgender community down. Retaining the GRA as it is does not take any rights away from transgender people. Self-identification would be problematic for many contexts, including spouses/civil partners, data collection and single-sex provisions, as well as potentially for the individual themselves who might have no route to find the support needed for making a major life change.

and

... We, along with many other women, have been silenced and threatened, including with complaints to Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit, and with CLPs refusing to permit us to speak. This is not the way to enable a sensible understanding of these important issues. We call on the Labour Party as well as the government to stand up for the right of women to speak about matters which directly affect us, without intimidation or abuse.

labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/news/lwd-respond-to-government-gra-statements/

(You cant help but wonder why they stay in the LP)

teawamutu · 24/09/2020 18:38

Never voted anything but Labour till 2018.

Have spoiled my ballot ever since.

Will NEVER vote Labour again.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 24/09/2020 18:39

I always thought of myself as a labour voter although previously had voted lib dem tactically as best placed not Tory in my constituency. But I cannot support either of those parties at the moment.

Totickleamockingbird · 24/09/2020 18:40

Not my vote until they amend this.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 24/09/2020 18:40

@Kit19

It’s been mentioned in a few threads but deserves a thread of its own as I’m sure Labour has ppl watching this board

Labour will not get my vote back until they drop this

Let's hope they are watching. I'll say it again here in the hope that they are:

I was a life-long Labour supporter. I cancelled my Labour Party membership because of this single issue. I didn't vote Labour in the December election because of this single issue. I will never vote Labour again if they continue to support misogynist ideas which are detrimental to women and girls. This is the top issue for me at the moment.

Toomuchtea · 24/09/2020 18:40

Also politically homeless. I've voted Lib Dem in their various incarnations all my life, but according to them I am now a bigot because I believe biological sex is real. And I will never vote Labour while they parrot this stuff (and, amongst the more far left of my acquaintance, still deny that Corby et al were anti-Semitic). You couldn't make it up.

Toomuchtea · 24/09/2020 18:41

Corbyn, not Corby. Corby may well be anti-Semitic for all I know. But I hope not.