Updated relationships, sex and health curriculum guidance

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Updated government guidance, released today!!!

@AuntyPasta

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health...

LOL

What does capitalism have to do with RSE?

Welk, for one thing, capitalism is a major driver of the pornification of the society that children of both sexes have to learn to navigate safely. RSE is, broadly speaking, about equipping kids with the knowledge they need to deal with sex out in the world.

Capitalism is part of the context.

It's a fair point that whoever's in power controls what's taught as fact and what's taught as opinion. Which is why schools and teachers are required not to present ideologies and belief systems as The One True Path to Righteousness.

Schools shouldn't be teaching that capitalism must be overthrown, or that it must be maintained. And teachers shouldn't be advocating for the overthrow of existing political and economic systems. It's not their job to indoctrinate children to reject caitalism.

If we had a communist system this rule would require schools not to work with organisations that advocate the overthrow of communism; if we had a proper monarchy the rule would be no teachers advocating for the guillotine.

It's not about left and right, it's about schools being prevented from radicalising children against the Establishment. You teach them how it works, you teach them the pitfalls as well as the benefits, you give them the tools to draw their own conclusions. What you don't do is teach them that the overthrow of the Establishment is imperative.

Personally, I'm okay with that. I find it weird that some people think proponents of all ideologies should be given equal opportunity to indoctrinate kids in schools.

We are invited by teachers to give evidenced, CPD-accredited training in gender awareness.

This is an interesting point that Mermaids have raised. How is their training CPD-accredited? What body is responsible for that? Should they really be accrediting organisations that push gender stereotypes and "born in the wrong body" propaganda?

Someone has put in a huge amount of effort on this thread to persuade people that:
the new guidance has changed nothing
they shouldn't try to use it in schools to make sure teaching materials are evidence-based
it is very harmful since it bans many good things (which makes you wonder what sort of person would support it, eh? eh?)
it is terrible unclear and worse than useless.

All that effort is in the service of one goal. No one must touch these guidance with a bargepole. They are toxic and must be shunned by all.

It occurs to me that there has been complete silence from the schools that have undergone training by Mermaids, Stonewall etc. I know the guidance is brand new and most schools won’t have had time to absorb it yet (or even be aware of it!), but surely these orgs would have had some schools they could have contacted to endorse them?

Don’t some schools even have little plaques? I wonder if the janitors are working over the weekend.

Don’t some schools even have little plaques? I wonder if the janitors are working over the weekend

I dont think they should get away with pretending it was all their idea and removing evidence.

We all know schools have been being warned about them fir years

They were in schools. And pleased about it. The page has been deleted now though.

Can everyone please check their school websites and take a screenshot? And if they do have a little plaque, ask your kids to take a photo ASAP.

@Kantastic

We are invited by teachers to give evidenced, CPD-accredited training in gender awareness.

This is an interesting point that Mermaids have raised. How is their training CPD-accredited? What body is responsible for that? Should they really be accrediting organisations that push gender stereotypes and "born in the wrong body" propaganda?

I believe their 'training' is accredited by Goldsmiths. The Goldsmiths of "Terfs to the gulag" fame:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6154777/Goldsmiths-student-group-mounts-extraordinary-defence-notorious-GULAG-worker-camps.html

We've discussed Goldsmiths before I believe:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3359116-The-Times-smear-campaign-by-trans-lecturer-at-Goldsmiths

They received a 35k grant to deliver schools’ training but are now saying they do not offer school talks to students?!

No- you were indoctrinating the teachers!

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

Schools will have the invoices. So now schools can see how trustworthy they are surely?

Someone has put in a huge amount of effort on this thread to persuade people that:the new guidance has changed nothing

It has changed nothing, but should definitely be hated by all feminists, as the guidance stops organisations such as WPUK going into schools?

Really?

Suddenly transactivist types are concerned about feminists being unable to speak in schools.

Ha. Ha.

But no change. No. Not at all.

I think the line is that as far as the gender critical argument is concerned the guidance has changed nothing. But as far as everything else is concerned, the changes ARE MASSIVE.

@nauticant

I think the line is that as far as the gender critical argument is concerned the guidance has changed nothing. But as far as everything else is concerned, the changes ARE MASSIVE.

I wouldn't say it's changed nothing. I think a lot of Heads will look at this guidance, think it's a bit vague and then see who the DfE recommends, which is Stonewall, so it could end up giving them a defacto monopoly which I think would be a shame, I'd like to see more grassroots groups given a shot.

And yes, it's perfectly possible to not have reservations about one part of the policy but serious concerns about others. Normal in fact

@Kantastic

We are invited by teachers to give evidenced, CPD-accredited training in gender awareness.

This is an interesting point that Mermaids have raised. How is their training CPD-accredited? What body is responsible for that? Should they really be accrediting organisations that push gender stereotypes and "born in the wrong body" propaganda?

I would also very much like to know who 'CPD-accredits' the training delivered by Mermaids, and how.

I'd like to see more grassroots groups given a shot.

A shot at what?

Oh yes - you need to be accredited to offer this. You can’t just make it up and stick ‘ earn CPD points’ on your bumf...

@HecatesHat

I'd like to see more grassroots groups given a shot.

A shot at what?

Producing resources for RSE lessons

serenity wasn't there an issue before with something else, with logos being used despite them not actually being approved. Is there any way to find out if the standards office or whatever does have them on the books so to speak

Producing resources for RSE lessons

Why? Why would you like to see numerous grassroots organisations producing RSE content for school children?

Heads will look at this guidance and see it as anything but vague. It's crystal clear and written in the same clear style of most curriculum guidance already followed in school. They may not have spoken about it yet (released on Thursday but will have been emailed to all heads) as they are no doubt up to their necks in dealing with COVID. What is most likely is they will pass it to those staff in charge of developing and maintaining the RSE curriculum, for example in my school that's the PSHE subject leader. They developed a scheme of work and knowing our head there will be a conversation or email this week about ensuring all the resources are appropriate.

There might be some level of frustration as staff have probably spent a long time developing a scheme of work to fit the September 2020 update. Hopefully for those schools who have used unsuitable resources it'll be a case of finding an appropriate alternative rather than a massive re-write. If you're concerned about your child's school then I'm sure sending the Safe Schools Alliance or Transgender Trend information with links to appropriate resources won't hurt.

As for 'grass roots' organisations, plenty of schools already rely on smaller organisations who have been fully vetted and won't need to change anything. We have a fantastic local LGB group which usually comes in (sadly not this year with COVID restrictions). We go nowhere near Stonewall as we haven't needed to.

I have to say, I am unconcerned if Stonewall produce RSE resources, assuming they abide by the guidelines. There will be a mass panic though, about how to get their point across without being able to claim gendered souls and such though like usual.

I don't really think ANY 'group' should 'have a shot' at doing RSE in schools though tbh. And find it rather interesting that the horrible thing about these guidelines is now that Stonewall will apparently have a monopoly, and 'other grassroots groups' will not get 'a chance'

Stonewall were actually a decent group at one stage, hopefully we can get back to that instead of it just being a mens rights group like currently.

Given the guidance goes live this week then presumably Stonewall won't have to change anything, the DfE are recommended them as things stand, so they must believe Stonewalls current position on trans people is line with the guidelines.