Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

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Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
mobile.twitter.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1308822025797013509

Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

Some adults enjoy being around naked children and, don’t forget, humiliated teenagers (having to hide their discomfort while their boundaries are ripped down).

Completely agree. It's wrong to create an environment that this can flourish.

Some posters here seem to see parents telling their children they have to participate in stripping off in front of other people as analogous to having a flu vaccination.

It's extremely disingenuous, going to gotcha arguments every time rather than engaging with concerns.

Agree the justifications are fascinating, and have parallels with alternative sexual practices.

The ‘body positivity’ line is an excellent example of gaslighting, as exposure against your will has the exact opposite effect.

It's extremely disingenuous, going to gotcha arguments every time rather than engaging with concerns.

And from my experience of arguing with others on social media, it's an indication that the person doesn't actually have a reasonable argument, or a response to the point you've raised which engages with it in good faith.

Yes - it's a safeguarding policy. It shows there's a risk which is acknowledged and guarded against.

It's a shame that organisations where children are allowed to be unchaperoned with adults are not so candid about the statistically far greater risks that exist.

Perhaps then things like the football abuse scandal wouldn't have happened.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Some posters here seem to see parents telling their children they have to participate in stripping off in front of other people as analogous to having a flu vaccination.

It's extremely disingenuous, going to gotcha arguments every time rather than engaging with concerns.

Agree have friend whose father was a naturist and entire family forced to participate in naturist holidays. Friend said its fucked her up royally.

Football isn't potentially a violation of privacy and dignity in and of itself, though. No one here thinks safeguarding shouldn't exist in football, and if processes aren't adequate they should be changed.

You do know about DBS checks, and that in schools no-one is allowed to be alone with a child and not visible to others?

You do know that any organisation that deals with children has similar rules precisely because we know abusers are attracted to anywhere children are? It hasn't stopped the scandals, but the dangers are definitely acknowledged.

From the pro-Naturist document quoted above:

It was unable to find a causal relationship between pornography and harm. Conversely the connection between prudery and harm is well established.

What utter nonsense.

I’m so glad this thread is here, I hope it’s shining a light on something rarely talked about.

Personally I feel enormously validated in the responses to the discomfort I felt (though I’m starting to realise the extent to which it’s affected me).

There’s no justification. This is a very concerning practice, hiding in plain sight

Don’t know if it’s just me, but this thread isn’t showing up on the main Feminism Chat page?

Well that’s a new angle

Actually it’s a very old angle isn’t it? The hurt feelings.

Let’s all shush down about children’s boundaries

@Pelleas

Actually you did say exactly that. I suggest you read back your own posts.

If that's the case, please use the helpful Mumsnet quote feature to quote me saying 'it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it'.

Oh come off it. You didn't say that literally but your defence of parents' "right" to make their children be naked in public in front of strangers comes to the same thing.

Why don't you take a moment to consider that you are talking to a real person here, who has feelings?

Ah, the hurt feelings defence. And your children's feelings?

You didn't say that literally but your defence of parents' "right" to make their children be naked in public in front of strangers comes to the same thing.

You saying it 'comes to the same thing' isn't me saying 'exactly that' then, is it? 'It comes to the same thing' means you are choosing to wilfully misinterpret and twist my posts to suit your own agenda, presumably because you're unable to refute my actual, exact words. You're inventing things I haven't said to construct a straw man argument.

@Shedbuilder

Why don't you take a moment to consider that you are talking to a real person here, who has feelings?

Ah, the hurt feelings defence. And your children's feelings?

I don't have children.

I think the fact that children have emotions, feelings and boundaries just adds to the fun of it for sine people.

For example the men who watched me, a shy naked teenage girl, while they lay back in the sun