Nude Family swim at Stoke Waterworld

[VortexofBloggery]

Flagged up by Sammy Woodhouse on Twitter.
mobile.twitter.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1308822025797013509

Supported by who else but NSPCC.

Adults can buy a single ticket.

To Shut it down, Change petition here:
www.change.org/p/water-world-stop-nude-family-swim-session-for-adults-and-children-of-all-ages-at-water-world?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_24863394_en-GB%3A2&recruiter=1151217419&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Attended by convicted paedophile
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4047602.convicted-brierfield-paedophile-member-naturist-club/

Unbelievable.

That doesn't improve your argument. Basically you are saying it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it.

And please don't bother pointing out parents often have to make children do things children don't like-e.g going to school, eating broccoli, - these things have some benefit. Public nudity hasn't.

It has already been answered by me and others on this thread - you have just chosen not to accept the answers because you don't agree with them.

My reply was to Pelleas

That doesn't improve your argument. Basically you are saying it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it

I haven't once said that. Inventing things and claiming others have said them doesn't improve your argument, either.

There’s no fucking community or beautiful parenting style going in here, the only difference is people displaying their genitals to each other.

I agree. People are gaily handwaving away the actual fact that people on this thread have been subjected to this against their will as children, and that children can't meaningfully give consent to other adults seeing them naked. Of course that's possibly also going to be the case for children they encounter as part of their "lifestyle".

@Pelleas

It has already been answered by me and others on this thread - you have just chosen not to accept the answers because you don't agree with them.

Has it? I don't recall seeing much beyond some waffle that seeing naked strangers means children won't think everyone looks like, say Brad Pitt or Michelle Pfeiffer (just picked at random) at their most beautiful

Oh and I'm paraphrasing all that guff about "real bodies" before anyone leaps to say they didn't say that.

@Handsoffisback

pelleas the specific question about why children need to be exposed to other people’s genitals has not been answered.

Several posters have pointed out the benefits of naturism that some enjoy.

No one has claimed it's enjoyable for everyone.

It is not about 'need' - we don't live our lives on the basis of only doing what we need to do. No family 'needs' a holiday in Disneyland, but that doesn't mean there's no justification for taking one if your family enjoys it.

That doesn't improve your argument. Basically you are saying it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it.

And please don't bother pointing out parents often have to make children do things children don't like-e.g going to school, eating broccoli, - these things have some benefit. Public nudity hasn't.

All this.

@Pelleas

That doesn't improve your argument. Basically you are saying it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it

I haven't once said that. Inventing things and claiming others have said them doesn't improve your argument, either.

Actually you did say exactly that. I suggest you read back your own posts.

Oh stop it pelleas. We are talking about naked children who have no say in the fact they’re naked. Protecting children’s dignity, feelings and rights should be paramount.

Yes, it should, and in literally any other circumstances social services would be involved. I think they should here too. Stop imposing your adult hobby on your children.

I’m not going to attempt to justify anything, that would not be helpful or respectful to you.

We've all read the thread. You have done. Multiple times.

Actually you did say exactly that. I suggest you read back your own posts.

If that's the case, please use the helpful Mumsnet quote feature to quote me saying 'it's fine for parents to bully, intimidate or coerce their children to be naked in public in front of strangers because some other people are cool with it'.

I’ve seen one “benefit” of naturism written here - that children see real bodies, which is nonsense because they see that on any beach or swimming pool.

That’s the official line.

It’s covering up a very disturbing truth.

Some adults enjoy being around naked children and, don’t forget, humiliated teenagers (having to hide their discomfort while their boundaries are ripped down).

It’s not a perfect world, and there are those who get great enjoyment from sexually humiliating children. Taking them to these places is a more exciting forum to continue the abuse.

We can’t stop all the abuse that goes on in families but we can stop if being played out legally in public

Some of this rhetoric reminds me of when people talk about the BDSM "community" and "lifestyle" and how accepting, respectful, consent oriented and liberating it is etc etc etc. I would hope we all recognise that it would be inappropriate to play out those dynamics in front of children, but I'm quite sure it happens, and that people justify it.

To return to my (imperfect) analogy, not only can under 16s not give informed consent to sex, but their parents cannot do so for them. The hypothetical 30 year old who had sex with a 15 year old that I mentioned earlier would have no defence from saying 'their parents knew and were fine with it and actually encouraged it because they thought it would be healthy / fun / character building for said 15 yo'. In fact that would make it a whole lot worse, because the young person has to give consent themselves - no one can do so on their behalf.

Some posters here seem to see parents telling their children they have to participate in stripping off in front of other people as analogous to having a flu vaccination. They might not like it but it'll be good for them. I personally think it's much closer to - though not exactly identical to - the consent to sex scenario.

@Handsoffisback

And again with the Disneyland/broccoli/going to the dentist bollocks. These things are unlikely to be harmful to a child. Parading them about naked to total strangers is far more likely to!

I haven't said anything about broccoli or going to the dentist.

Disneyland was mentioned as an activity that is unnecessary - not an activity that is harmful.