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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liz Truss WILL make a statement today

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/09/2020 09:22

commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/document/40760/html

Or someone will on her behalf.

My MP said GRA statement coming today.

Liz Truss WILL make a statement today
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gardenbird48 · 22/09/2020 09:30

good spot - I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for updates.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/09/2020 09:56

Here it is!

questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2020-09-22/hcws462

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Kit19 · 22/09/2020 10:00

So from a quick read - no change to GRA, process goes on line, fee reduced, priority is trans health - 3 new gender clinics to open

TinselAngel · 22/09/2020 10:01

Their bluff has been well and truly called, is my interpretation.

DoYouRememberTheInnMiranda · 22/09/2020 10:01

"Our philosophy is that a person’s character, your ideas, and your work ethic trumps the colour of your skin or your biological sex. We firmly believe that neither biology nor gender is destiny. The Equality Act 2010 clearly protects transgender people from discrimination. The same act allows service providers to restrict access to single sex spaces on the basis of biological sex if there is a clear justification. "

I don't really know what the first sentence means. Trumps it in what sense?

But I'm pleased to see recognition of the single sex exemption and the repeated use of biological sex (which I thought was denounced as transphobic these days).

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/09/2020 10:01

Also says that "The Equality Act 2010 clearly protects transgender people from discrimination.The same act allows service providers to restrict access to single sex spaces on the basis of biological sex if there is a clear justification".

Which I think is a useful reminder to TRAs

OhHolyJesus · 22/09/2020 10:03

It's out!

Statement

Government Equalities Office Update Response to Gender Recognition Act (2004) consultation Today, I am announcing the Government’s response to the consultation on the Gender Recognition Act 2004. As a Government, we are determined that everyone in the UK should be free to live their lives and fulfil their potential regardless of their sex, gender identity, race or disability. We are proud to have introduced same-sex marriage and passed the Turing law. We want transgender people to be free to live and to prosper in a modern Britain. We have looked carefully at the issues raised in the consultation, including potential changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004. It is the Government’s view that the balance struck in this legislation is correct, in that there are proper checks and balances in the system and also support for people who want to change their legal sex. However, it is also clear that we need to improve the process and experience that transgender people have when applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate – making it kinder and more straightforward. Our changes will address the main concerns that trans people themselves tell us they have about it. In 2017, we conducted by far the largest survey ever of British LGBT people, with over 108,000 respondents, of whom 7000 were trans. Of those who had completed their transition, around 2 in 5 said that they had a Gender Recognition Certificate, a higher proportion than is often believed. The survey then asked those who had not applied what had prevented them from doing so. They were able to choose as many reasons as they wanted. Thirty-eight per cent told us the process was too bureaucratic. So we will place the whole procedure online. Thirty-four per cent said the process was too expensive. This, too, we will address. We will reduce the fee from £140 to a nominal amount. We have also come to understand that gender recognition reform, though supported in the consultation undertaken by the last government, is not the top priority for transgender people. Perhaps their most important concern is the state of trans healthcare. Trans people tell us that waiting lists at NHS gender clinics are too long. I agree, and I am deeply concerned at the distress it can cause. That is why we are opening at least three new gender clinics this year, which should see waiting lists cut by around 1,600 patients by 2022. The full benefit of the increases in clinical capacity that we’ve been able to secure will lead to greater patient choice, shorter waiting times, better geographical coverage and easier access. It will also make it easier to fulfil the medical requirements of obtaining a GRC. It is why we last year provided funding for the UK’s first National LGBT Health Advisor to help improve transgender people’s experience. Britain leads the world as a country where everybody is able to lead their life freely and treated with respect and that, for many years, transgender people have been widely accepted in British society; able to use facilities of their chosen gender; and able to participate fully in modern life. At the heart of this is the principle of individual liberty. Our philosophy is that a person’s character, your ideas, and your work ethic trumps the colour of your skin or your biological sex. We firmly believe that neither biology nor gender is destiny. The Equality Act 2010 clearly protects transgender people from discrimination. The same act allows service providers to restrict access to single sex spaces on the basis of biological sex if there is a clear justification. We want every individual, regardless of their sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity to have the confidence and the freedom to be themselves. We will continue with our international leadership by hosting our International LGBT Conference to make sure LGBT people around the world are safe to be themselves. I am laying the analysis report of consultation responses as a Command Paper today and it will be published on GOV.UKK_.

Thingybob · 22/09/2020 10:03

Well done women, I see that the full response to the consultation is also on the gov site. That will keep me busy today

OhHolyJesus · 22/09/2020 10:03

Sorry cross post!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/09/2020 10:04

Their bluff has been well and truly called

It's excellent. TRAs complained about bureaucracy so process now online. TRAs complete about cost, this will be reduced. TRAs complained about healthcare, 3 new gender clinics. The government has pretty much met every demand.

TweeBree · 22/09/2020 10:04

She also said this, which doesn't exactly give same-sex exemptions the clarity it deserves:

for many years, transgender people have been widely accepted in British society; able to use facilities of their chosen gender; and able to participate fully in modern life.

Needmoresleep · 22/09/2020 10:06

Interesting. 39% of respondents used the Stonewall template.

It was not a vote.

MrsBodger · 22/09/2020 10:11

Yes, which facilities?

gardenbird48 · 22/09/2020 10:12

no statement from Stonewall yet but I hope they'll be pleased with this as it addresses all the aspects of the GRA that they seemed to be concerned with, the huge bureaucratic burden and cost of applying for a GRC.

They have just launched a new campaign forming a consortium to join Trans with LGBT+ and other allies (that seems a bit odd as T is already in LGBT+ but I'm sure they know what they mean).

Kit19 · 22/09/2020 10:16

I expect stonewalls statement to ge along the lines of ‘pleased with the concessions made but disappointed not self ID blah blah most oppressed/suicide stats, fight goes on till self Id in place’

Clymene · 22/09/2020 10:16

Thank you Liz Truss BiscuitThanksThanksThanksThanksGinGinGinWineWineWine

TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/09/2020 10:17

I am disturbed that a government statement gives far too much creedence to the nebulous 'gender identity'.

Still much work to be done, because Self ID in law may be off the table, but in practice it seems to remain.

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Kit19 · 22/09/2020 10:20

Yep Fleegle! The ball has been stopped from rolling on but now it needs rolling back to what the law says rather than what stonewall would like it to say!

Collidascope · 22/09/2020 10:21

I'm not thrilled with this, tbh. The institutional capture has already happened and if anything Truss backs that up when she praises how trans people have widely been "able to use facilities of their chosen gender." Since when have facilities been "gendered"?

Admittedly there's mention of single-sex provision, but no acknowledgement that this has already been throw out by a load of organisations.

Beamur · 22/09/2020 10:23

That seems pretty fair. Process streamlined by more resources. Safeguards still in place..
More clarity of single sex exemptions should be next and how to appropriately meet needs around changing areas, sports, toilets, etc.

teawamutu · 22/09/2020 10:25

We've got official government backing for single sex services. It's a good start.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/09/2020 10:29

Yes teawamutu but only in the sense that they are allowed, as they always have been. We need to hear that they are compulsory, unless a proper risk assessment and consultation proves they are not

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TheShoesa · 22/09/2020 10:32

There is still work to be done for sure, but I do think this is mostly encouraging.

This is a clear statement and I am encouraged by the use of the term 'legal sex' rather than gender
It is the Government’s view that the balance struck in this legislation is correct, in that there are proper checks and balances in the system and also support for people who want to change their legal sex
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We want every individual, regardless of their sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity to have the confidence and the freedom to be themselves

I wasn't sure about this bit
Our philosophy is that a person’s character, your ideas, and your work ethic trumps the colour of your skin or your biological sex. We firmly believe that neither biology nor gender is destiny

But looking at it in isolation, I think what they are saying is that people should be free to fulfil their potential reagrdless of their sex, gender identity. So the 'neither biology nor gender is destiny' is not a clear statement, I take it to mean that you should be free to be yourself, so being a woman or man or TW or TM should not force you down one path nor exclude you from another - with the exceptions of the EA 2010 exemptions.

On balance I think this is positive

Signalbox · 22/09/2020 10:32

Is that it? Not very clarifying is it? So the government is going to leave it to the courts to decide what “justification” means. Which means the same arguments over changing rooms etc. will continue until there is case law. The law is supposed to be clear and the EA can be interpreted in so many different ways. Even this statement seems to contradict itself.

transgender people have been widely accepted in British society; able to use facilities of their chosen gender

The same act allows service providers to restrict access to single sex spaces on the basis of biological sex if there is a clear justification

TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/09/2020 10:32

not necessary
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