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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 12:31

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Mollyollydolly · 24/09/2020 13:16

I really respect the work Bindel has done but her attitude to Posie, the vindictiveness, is what I'd expect from the worst of the TRAs - I honestly think they cant bear how she cuts through, how she's achieved so much highlighting this issue to ordinary women. The suffragettes split in a similar fashion didn't they? It's bloody depressing - they are both needed.

JamieLeeCurtains · 24/09/2020 13:22

I have a scattergun admiration approach.

TinselAngel · 24/09/2020 14:08

I think a few of the prominent feminists are concerned that the movement is getting away from them (which it is), and are trying to pull it back.

Kazakaren · 24/09/2020 15:53

I honestly think they cant bear how she cuts through, how she's achieved so much highlighting this issue to ordinary women.

Yep. This. Posie has done a huge amount in getting the word out. This is what matters as far as I'm concerned.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 24/09/2020 16:33

I think a split is inevitable, it always happens in any political movement when people disagree on strategy, or the finer details of an issue. Meh.....

PicsInRed · 24/09/2020 16:40

I actually really like the term "women's rights activist" and at this juncture it's very, very accurate.

Butterer · 24/09/2020 16:46

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highame · 24/09/2020 16:50

This may be one of our problems. Being unable to see the bigger picture, focus on it, build multiple strategies and push the agenda forward. How the bloody hell do we think Stonewall did it.

This is too important to mud sling. Many of us ordinary, voiceless women want to see our thinking reflected by those who have a voice. I don't care who, or how so long as the message chimes with the way I think. If I don't agree I will say so, but I wont see women bullied by women, for me that is really below the belt.

TheRealMcKenna · 24/09/2020 16:53

In the Intelligence Squared debate the other night JB said that feminism belongs to the left (or words to that effect).

Given what a complete shit-show the current ‘left’ is in this country, that kind of excludes me from feminism though. Whilst I lean left on economic issues, I’m miles away from the passes for the UK ‘left’ on culture and I’m just not prepared to pretend otherwise.

I think PP is in the same category, and I’ve heard her say in interviews that she no longer considers herself a feminist but will always speak out for the rights of women and girls. I’m in that camp nowadays.

osprey24 · 24/09/2020 17:16

So if I vote Tory I can't be a feminist? Piss of JB!

Stripesgalore · 24/09/2020 17:22

‘Who gets to decide who is and who isn't a feminist?‘

I only said Posie wasn’t a feminist because I thought that she said that, nothing to do with making a judgement about her.

merrymouse · 24/09/2020 17:24

So if I vote Tory I can't be a feminist?

I think some kinds of feminism are very much routed in left wing theory - e.g. the concept of class based oppression.

That doesn't meant that you can't frame your support for women's rights as a Tory value.

JamieLeeCurtains · 24/09/2020 17:28

I hope we can all agree that we are 'women's rights supporters'.

I'd like to directly ask some of those bloody MPs this morning having a pile-in on Truss whether they are women's rights supporters, because it didn't sound like it to me. Blunt, Doughty and Russell-Moyle sounded more like witchfinders.

highame · 24/09/2020 17:47

I considered myself a feminist but because of that I was very anti trade unions - they are the most misogynistic organisations I know and I've said it many times on this board.

I have never understood why feminists don't railroad these organisations into becoming feminist automatically as part of Labour Party policy. The reason they don't is because women don't have that much power in the labour party. It's only someone like Greer who recognises that fact

Feminism has no right to dictate the political leanings of its exponents. That is just closing down debate

NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 18:07

Posie has never described herself as a feminist.

As PPs said her work is admirable but her attitude to mothers is not and I saw her do something which took me aback at a conference.

Everyone's flawed, we're all individuals, we will all agree on some things and not others.

The one thing this has really opened my eyes (ears) to is listening to ALL sides rather than knee jerk listen to NOTHING someone or a group has to say about something based on something else.

And I have as a life long lefty been as guilty of this in the past as anyone.

NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 18:09

Ha yeah.

I remember watching Bob crowe speaking at a conference years ago.

I said to DH. When he talks about workers rights, he means male workers. They are who he is speaking to and protecting and working for. The fact there are some women in those jobs is not the point. It's a boys club. Made by men for men to look after men.

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TheRealMcKenna · 24/09/2020 18:16

On another thread someone mentioned that the ‘right’ basically want their women to be Gilead-esque wives. Well, I started off my career living in Tony Blair’s reddest of the red (at that time) constituency and it was far more Gilead like than the safe blue seat I grew up in.

Women could serve behind the bar in the WMC, but certainly couldn’t drink in there. Some of my colleagues spoke proudly of the fact their wives weren’t allowed to go to work after having children.

I don’t know how attitudes in that part of the UK have moved on, but it is certainly a myth to believe Labour voters and the unions that represent them are traditionally more liberal and progressive on cultural issues.

Impatiens · 24/09/2020 19:39

I'd like to directly ask some of those bloody MPs this morning having a pile-in on Truss whether they are women's rights supporters, because it didn't sound like it to me. Blunt, Doughty and Russell-Moyle sounded more like witchfinders.

My god that Crispin Blunt is dreadful isn't he? Berating Truss, calling for her to be sacked, trying to bully her. ffs. I don't know anything about Doughty but Russell-Moyle is a total creep.

Cascade220 · 24/09/2020 20:12

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NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 20:41

Sorry wasn't clear just now.

This bit was about JB not PP

'As PPs said her work is admirable but her attitude to mothers is not and I saw her do something which took me aback at a conference'

NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 20:59

I'm so over the political affiliation thing.

No I couldn't vote conservative still, not that far over it!

On the politics thing. Conservatives have had 2 female PMs. Whatever you think of their politics, they still got the top job.

There was a thing here ages ago with the idea that when voting, how about forget party politics, vote for a woman.

I am coming to thinking this is a good idea. Yes there are women in politics who have bonkers ideas or are awful. I could name names Grin and no the ones I'm thinking of I wouldn't. BUT on the whole, even the bonkers women politicians are not worse than the men. We just notice more when it's a woman who is taking a certain line. In the end though, even the most unappealing female politicians have stuff on their radar that most men don't. Things about how to further women, childcare, elder care, sex offences, issues with NHS etc treatment of women, child abuse etc etc.

Now of course everyone should vote how they want and when I came across it I thought, what? Vote for even a random or Tory woman over the party I'm affiliated with? Now I think. Actually. Yes. Because even if they have questionable views on xyz, they are female and they are way more likely to raise something, anything, about things that matter to women and girls. While most men simply never will. It's not their problem. There are more important things to think about.

Just thought I'd throw that out there!

NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 21:03

Actually I live in a constituency that has been Tory forever.

My mp is a female Tory fairly high ranking.

I wrote to her about my concern about abortion rights when something happened... Maybe to do with abortion in NI.

I got a proper letter back quickly and while she didn't say what I wanted to hear, she explained her reasons very carefully and they kind of made sense.

So. Maybe I would vote Tory if it's a woman... Jesus what's happened to me?

The trans thing has had really really wife e reaching effects.

NiceGerbil · 24/09/2020 21:04

Wide reaching!

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