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Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 12:31

She's live streaming on YT

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NiceGerbil · 22/09/2020 18:06

'NiceGerbil

I didn't know asses got stoned! You learn something every day grin

Donkeys are renowned for hoofing down hash brownies.'

Grin
CharlieParley · 22/09/2020 18:29

Before I respond to your comment, SorryImKnew, an explanation as to why we quote others on this board:

We neither quote excessively nor obsessively any particular poster for the heck of it, or too intimidate, harass or silence.

We quote because these are fast moving threads, we have a lot of different posters and it's easy to misunderstand or be confused about what an individual is responding to. It aids understanding to quote and while it isn't necessary, it's good practice, here and on every other forum I've been involved with since 1995.

It's also a way of showing that you are listening and engaging with the points others make. I actually think I don't quote often enough (usually because what I'm responding to was four pages ago and I forgot to copy) and I worry that is disrespectful to other posters who put time and effort into often valuable contributions.

Copying is also helpful in avoiding an argument about being accused of saying something one has not in fact said and gives the original poster an opportunity to elaborate or to clarify what they meant.

We quote particular posters repeatedly because they make points we find especially important - on this thread Malahaha's discussion of the demand that we be kind, for instance. And that's because female socialisation is a feminist issue many of us are trying to understand and unpick (which btw is why it is both feminist and relevant to discuss our changing perspectives on power dynamics in heterosexual relationships).

We also repeatedly quote posters we disagree with, in order to express that and often why we disagree. This is a discussion board after, even if it is typically much more respectful and constructive than many other MN boards. Yes, it is uncomfortable to be the lone dissenting voice on a busy thread, but no one owes anyone here agreement, or even silence, even if others have already expressed their disagreement.

This also isn't a real life situation where being the lone dissenter can mean being surrounded by everyone shouting at you. We're commenting online without actually being able to physically get into each other's personal space. And I'll say to you what I tell myself, my children and anyone else who finds an argument getting too much, especially when you feel ganged up on - take a break. Regardless of whether you are really being ganged up on or not. Take care of yourself. Do something different for a while. Revisit the debate later, to see how it progressed after you disengaged, then rejoin or let it go, whatever feels right, but practice selfcare in all of your online interactions. (And this isn't me telling you to shut up, this is me telling you that sometimes it is better for us to step away and to prioritise our wellbeing over proving a stranger wrong on the internet.)

SorryImKnew · 22/09/2020 18:51

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FleetsumNJetsum · 22/09/2020 19:00

Who. The. Actual. Fuck. Do. You. Think. You. Are?

Easy question! That's CharlieParley. Thank you Charlie. I have had a really horrific day (something other than Posie) and your advice on when you get ganged up on has been so very helpful to me. I was crying in anger and frustration, but your words were calming. Thank you!

MillyMollyFarmer · 22/09/2020 19:01

You are breaking guidelines attacking other posters like that.

Kazakaren · 22/09/2020 19:02

Who. The. Actual. Fuck. Do. You. Think. You. Are?

I direct that question back to you.

lakesidefall · 22/09/2020 19:02

Somewhat obviously I would have thought charlie is someone who is trying to explain the unwritten social conventions in this corner of Mumsnet.

It isn't unusual on any thread on Mumsnet for it to be suggested to poster that it might be in their own interests to take a break from posting.

However it is also usual for each specific area or long running thread to create its own slightly idiosyncratic conventions. Explanations of these can be helpful.

Name calling is rarely productive.

SophocIestheFox · 22/09/2020 19:11

Am totally getting matching Thought Criminal t shirts for me and the Nigel Grin utter genius! I’ll be longing for someone to ask me to explain it, which, of course, I can’t because of the criminal thoughts. Well played, Emily, well played!

MillyMollyFarmer · 22/09/2020 19:28

Am totally getting matching Thought Criminal t shirts for me and the Nigel

I know they’re brilliant, me too.

SorryImKnew · 22/09/2020 19:58

@NiceGerbil

I didn't know asses got stoned! You learn something every day Grin
Read your bible. Asses got stoned accidentally by carrying someone like the Virgin Mary on their backs for e.g.

Different types of donkeys I lived with. Different type of stoning.

jj1968 · 22/09/2020 19:58

@SophocIestheFox

Am totally getting matching Thought Criminal t shirts for me and the Nigel Grin utter genius! I’ll be longing for someone to ask me to explain it, which, of course, I can’t because of the criminal thoughts. Well played, Emily, well played!
Aren't you worried people will just assume you're a conspiracy theorist or racist? Tommy Robinson calls himself a thought criminal.
CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 20:01

Aren't you worried people will just assume you're a conspiracy theorist or racist? Tommy Robinson calls himself a thought criminal.

I would rather hope that a lot of people would think of Orwell first, or at least have the gumption to ask.

But hey, guilt by association seems to be a big thing in some circles these days.

SorryImKnew · 22/09/2020 20:01

I for one would have been stunned by the police action, against women obeying the law, after police have allowed so many illegal gatherings. Those illegal gatherings were also antisocial, in spreading the coronavirus.

The big difference, of course, is that certain men enjoy attacking women. Really bad news when those men are police.

What gatherings are you referring to specifically?

Cascade220 · 22/09/2020 20:03

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SorryImKnew · 22/09/2020 20:04

I don't think anyone turned up planning to get arrested. We wanted to have our safe, planned, socially distanced speaking event, exercise our democratic rights to free expression and assembly, then maybe break into bubbles and go to the pub or something.

So it wasn't a political organisation meeting up I take it. You just wanted to take to the stage individually? Might I suggest that you employ me in future or em, organise yourselves better. At the very least have an agenda. Do we even know what the speeches were about? I certainly don't. So you just come across as a bunch of whatevers on a day out where you recall your student years and regret not climbing trees.

SophocIestheFox · 22/09/2020 20:05

I don’t keep up with Tommy Robinson, so haven’t a clue what he calls himself. Kind of you to be concerned for me though.

Butterer · 22/09/2020 20:07

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jj1968 · 22/09/2020 20:09

@SpartacusAutisticus

Aren't you worried people will just assume you're a conspiracy theorist or racist? Tommy Robinson calls himself a thought criminal.

FGS. It's an Orwell reference, if people have read more about Tommy Robinson than have read Orwell resulting in thinking stuff like this they really do need to check their cultural references.

True but David Icke and that lot are always quoting Orwell and Alex Jones refers to Tommy Robinson as Britian's biggest thought criminal. That would be my first thought if I saw someone wearing a thought criminal t-shirt anyway.
lakesidefall · 22/09/2020 20:11

I rather like JK's latest offering in the T-shirt area.

Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds
CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 20:15

I am trying not to get drawn in, I really am.

But a donkey carrying the Virgin Mary getting stoned? What was that? The apocrypha according to Groucho Marx?

WTAF!

🤣🤣🤣

Butterer · 22/09/2020 20:17

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 22/09/2020 20:19

Don't waste your breath engaging with the goaders people. This thread is important, the constant de-railing is not helpful.

CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 20:20

On a more serious note, @TirisfalPumpkin - thank you to you and all the Leeds Resisters. You are brave women, and I salute you!

With Gin, Wine or Brew as you prefer!

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