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Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 12:31

She's live streaming on YT

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MillyMollyFarmer · 22/09/2020 20:20

Oh I just saw JKR’s t shirt post, that is even better and my daughter and I will be getting one each!

SorryImKnew · 22/09/2020 20:22

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DeliciouslyFemale · 22/09/2020 20:25

@SorryImKnew

This thread is important

PMSL. And you're actually serious no doubt.

You’re right, obviously. That’s why you’re constantly posting on it, in order to show how unimportant it is. Hmm
SophocIestheFox · 22/09/2020 20:27

That would be my first thought if I saw someone wearing a thought criminal t-shirt anyway

Well, kind of the whole point of the wheeze is that people may think whatever they like, but what they think is none of my business. They are free to think away, at will. That’s the beauty of it. Seems obvious to me...

CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 20:27

@WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe

Don't waste your breath engaging with the goaders people. This thread is important, the constant de-railing is not helpful.
Good reminder.

And here's to Posie. I don't agree with her on everything, far from it, but she's a genius at publicity, and has ovaries of fucking steel.

persistentwoman · 22/09/2020 20:27

Pleased to see this thread is still going - there are some great posts about an important event.
Thanks for keeping it bumped everyone Wink

GrimSisters · 22/09/2020 20:32

Does anyone know where one can obtain a 'thought criminal' t-shirt?

CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 20:35

There's a link a few pages back, I think, Grim. Posie Parker's web page IIRC - she sells merch.

MillyMollyFarmer · 22/09/2020 20:37

Check Etsy for thought criminal t shirts and Jk Rowling has the link for the witch ones Smile

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JamieLeeCurtains · 22/09/2020 20:51

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

Wrt that book, I would like to read it. Sarah Pedersen spoke at the Edinburgh uni event after which Julie bindel was assaulted, if anyone recalls that. She spoke very well about mumsnet as a space for a 'subaltern counterpublic' to meet and discuss things and form ideas. Activism isn't a dirty word within Scottish academia tbh. Neither is radical.
I think I'll buy it.
TirisfalPumpkin · 22/09/2020 20:52

@CaraDuneRedux

On a more serious note, *@TirisfalPumpkin* - thank you to you and all the Leeds Resisters. You are brave women, and I salute you!

With Gin, Wine or Brew as you prefer!

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 22/09/2020 21:03

Asses got stoned accidentally by carrying someone like the Virgin Mary on their backs

I don't remember that bit. I do recall that horrid Balaam smiting his poor ass three times, when she had only been trying to keep him safe from an avenging angel.

CharlieParley · 22/09/2020 21:06

@FleetsumNJetsum

Who. The. Actual. Fuck. Do. You. Think. You. Are?

Easy question! That's CharlieParley. Thank you Charlie. I have had a really horrific day (something other than Posie) and your advice on when you get ganged up on has been so very helpful to me. I was crying in anger and frustration, but your words were calming. Thank you!

Aah, I see my post wasn't taken in the spirit it was intended. The lack of nonverbal cues and nuance conveyed by tone of voice makes it hard to get genuine concern across at times. Another reason to recharge offline from time to time.

I am glad to see that it brought you a little comfort and I'm sorry you had a rubbish day FleetsumNJetsum FlowersGin

Fishdoggy · 22/09/2020 21:08

I was at this event. My 1st time in Leeds so I was early and took time to find it. Victoria square in in two halves. A photographer was sitting waiting on the steps. He asked me if I was Kellie-Jay. A woman was sitting quietly on the steps a little way from him. She told me it was her first time coming to anything like this and she was a "newbie". We were quickly joined by 2 more ladies, one of whom was the first to be handcuffed. She was lovely, smiling, pretty, pleasant and intelligent. As we waited we could see the other half of the square and Posie and a handful of women appeared walking. Posie was easy to spot in her vibrant red coat. As we stood up and started walking to join her a very large police van (size of a mini bus) roared up and parked up on the road dividing us.
"Oh, they must be expecting trouble" I said. As we walked past this van, two policemen walked from the other side of the square and another smaller police van arrived and parked on the main road, so effectively the women were trapped with police on 3 sides and the large building on the 4th. There were a group of counter protesters quietly sitting and standing at the far end of the square. There were more of them than us.
Mr grey top, plain police cop, Kenyon, I think was managing the situation. Posie was approached before she'd even stopped walking. Women began to gather around, although we were all social distancing at this point. Police told us to disperse. I was stood by Posie. Officer said this did not fall under a political group, they had studied it and we didn't meet the criteria. He said the organiser agreed at which point Posie said she was the organiser and Claire came over on her scooter. Both said they were organisers and had followed all guidance and this was a political meeting. Officer then said there's more than 30. Posie asked if he's counted us. He said no, so she did, 16 women at this point. He then said rule of six, so we quickly split up into small groups. Kenyon got aggressive, he had bulging brown eyes and loomed over us all. He signalled for the officers, (who seemed to outnumber us) to divide us up and drive us away. They wouldn't let us stand on the square, even as well distanced individuals, as they said "you're all here for the same thing". He asked where the speaker was and Posie explained how it worked. By this time women were being targeted by officers intent on dispersing us. They threatened us with fines, £100 each and Posie with £10,000. I was stood next to a lovely lady (V) we were on the pavement, off the square. Officer told us to go. Kenyon told me to go to a side street away from the pavement that I wasn't even to be near the square. He then moved off again to order officers to take Posie. Handcuffs were out. V was given a fixed penalty. A relatively nice officer approached me and asked for my details. I told him I'd driven 2 and half hours for this, to listen to political speeches. He said " I get your frustration but this isn't a political group so you have to disperse" I asked him if we were allowed to go for coffee and he said as long as you go away from here you can all do what you want. He didn't fine me as I walked a little way from him and stood by the bus stop. By then Posie was being led across the square. Some of us followed and her banners were left with women. Some women disappeared. After the police drove off with Posie, releasing the lady with handcuffs a few of us gathered in two groups. Claire made a video. Our group of six were treated to a speech prepared by another lovely girl. It was her first speech so she read it to the 5 of us.
We clapped her and I think it was me who suggested we all go up to Millennium square (I'd gone there by accident earlier)

It was agreed and some texted other women and all of a sudden we seemed to have a plan. More women appeared and the decision was made to make our speeches anyway in this much larger space. The I love JKR banner was raised for photo opportunities and we began. Make More Noise made the first one. She was passionate and brilliant. Women on the lookout noticed 2 police on foot at the far end. They radioed but did not approach. A man with a very large trans flag stood at the bottom and waved it. More women appeared, I think we were then up to 27 and passer byes also were curious. A lady was there with 2 children. Some sat, all were distanced and some of us walked around the space. Our speaker from Victoria square made her speech again. Now the police vans were arriving and Kenyon was back and furious. Third speaker was up, this was the girl in the Thought Criminal t shirt. The video shows what happened here. More fixed penalties were issued but most of us walked just far enough out of their way. After they bundled (E) into the van Kenyon signalled officers to take down (I). She went to sit on the steps, as she began to have an asthma attack. 2 officers stood over her, giving her no space, Kenyon wouldn't let me go to her, He snarled at me, "Do you think we can't manage? and if you don't leave here I'm taking your details, you were down at the other Square and were told to disperse". I walked the other side of (I) and said to the officers "let me take her for a coffee, she's not well". They ignored me and took her details. As she felt better, (cool as a cucumber) she got up and walked away, they called after her "take care (I).
We left, as quite a large group by now to go for a much needed drink, 2 officers did walk down to the man with a flag and he quickly whipped it down and left. We walked past 3 TRA? possibly who looked quite terrified of us! No one said anything. After this some of us went in (I')s "Terf wagon" to Elland Road police station to await the release of Posie and the Thought Criminal (Turned out she'd been taken somewhere else). After a wait of probably half hour, Posie came out, all smile and glamour and we all chatted, had a photo and waited for her husband to collect her. I left at this point as my car was in the park and ride opposite and the Terfwagon went back to the pub to join the other group.
Each one of those women were bloody awesome. I didn't hear one swear or be rude to the Police although each stood her ground. I think the total was 3 arrests and 6 fixed penalties as one girl got two! I was lucky in that no details were taken nor was I fined. Would I go again to the next one? You bet. I'll bloody organise it.

SophocIestheFox · 22/09/2020 21:13

Wow, thanks fishdoggy! Well done! Great report.

Kenyon... why does that name ring a bell? I might just be having a brain fart though...

JamieLeeCurtains · 22/09/2020 21:15

@SorryImKnew

It was never love, it was always neediness and subjugation

You're speaking for yourself. Speaking for me personally, I was very much in love as a young woman. It's ridiculous to state that love in your youth is just neediness. Ageist to boot. Speak for yourself.

People ARE speaking for themselves on Mumsnet ... Sort of the point of it really.

I guess some posters do this purposeful denigration a lot, enough for me to have noticed it, almost like they don't like Mumsnet very much. Why bother with it? 👀

Hobbies are available.

CharlieParley · 22/09/2020 21:15

Thank you Fishdoggy for your detailed account. Glad to hear it didn't put you off!

Melroses · 22/09/2020 21:23

Thanks Fishdoggy

Stripesgalore · 22/09/2020 21:24

It is horrendous that the police arrived so early on, presumably having decided to stop it in advance. It sounds like a petty vendetta.

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CaraDuneRedux · 22/09/2020 21:34

Thanks Fishdoggy. Good to hear an account (and put together the various bits of the videos - I do know Leeds and wondered why some of the action was happening in front of the Art Gallery, and other bits of it behind in Millenium Square).

fatblackcatspaw · 22/09/2020 21:35

@Fishdoggy

I was at this event. My 1st time in Leeds so I was early and took time to find it. Victoria square in in two halves. A photographer was sitting waiting on the steps. He asked me if I was Kellie-Jay. A woman was sitting quietly on the steps a little way from him. She told me it was her first time coming to anything like this and she was a "newbie". We were quickly joined by 2 more ladies, one of whom was the first to be handcuffed. She was lovely, smiling, pretty, pleasant and intelligent. As we waited we could see the other half of the square and Posie and a handful of women appeared walking. Posie was easy to spot in her vibrant red coat. As we stood up and started walking to join her a very large police van (size of a mini bus) roared up and parked up on the road dividing us. "Oh, they must be expecting trouble" I said. As we walked past this van, two policemen walked from the other side of the square and another smaller police van arrived and parked on the main road, so effectively the women were trapped with police on 3 sides and the large building on the 4th. There were a group of counter protesters quietly sitting and standing at the far end of the square. There were more of them than us. Mr grey top, plain police cop, Kenyon, I think was managing the situation. Posie was approached before she'd even stopped walking. Women began to gather around, although we were all social distancing at this point. Police told us to disperse. I was stood by Posie. Officer said this did not fall under a political group, they had studied it and we didn't meet the criteria. He said the organiser agreed at which point Posie said she was the organiser and Claire came over on her scooter. Both said they were organisers and had followed all guidance and this was a political meeting. Officer then said there's more than 30. Posie asked if he's counted us. He said no, so she did, 16 women at this point. He then said rule of six, so we quickly split up into small groups. Kenyon got aggressive, he had bulging brown eyes and loomed over us all. He signalled for the officers, (who seemed to outnumber us) to divide us up and drive us away. They wouldn't let us stand on the square, even as well distanced individuals, as they said "you're all here for the same thing". He asked where the speaker was and Posie explained how it worked. By this time women were being targeted by officers intent on dispersing us. They threatened us with fines, £100 each and Posie with £10,000. I was stood next to a lovely lady (V) we were on the pavement, off the square. Officer told us to go. Kenyon told me to go to a side street away from the pavement that I wasn't even to be near the square. He then moved off again to order officers to take Posie. Handcuffs were out. V was given a fixed penalty. A relatively nice officer approached me and asked for my details. I told him I'd driven 2 and half hours for this, to listen to political speeches. He said " I get your frustration but this isn't a political group so you have to disperse" I asked him if we were allowed to go for coffee and he said as long as you go away from here you can all do what you want. He didn't fine me as I walked a little way from him and stood by the bus stop. By then Posie was being led across the square. Some of us followed and her banners were left with women. Some women disappeared. After the police drove off with Posie, releasing the lady with handcuffs a few of us gathered in two groups. Claire made a video. Our group of six were treated to a speech prepared by another lovely girl. It was her first speech so she read it to the 5 of us. We clapped her and I think it was me who suggested we all go up to Millennium square (I'd gone there by accident earlier)

It was agreed and some texted other women and all of a sudden we seemed to have a plan. More women appeared and the decision was made to make our speeches anyway in this much larger space. The I love JKR banner was raised for photo opportunities and we began. Make More Noise made the first one. She was passionate and brilliant. Women on the lookout noticed 2 police on foot at the far end. They radioed but did not approach. A man with a very large trans flag stood at the bottom and waved it. More women appeared, I think we were then up to 27 and passer byes also were curious. A lady was there with 2 children. Some sat, all were distanced and some of us walked around the space. Our speaker from Victoria square made her speech again. Now the police vans were arriving and Kenyon was back and furious. Third speaker was up, this was the girl in the Thought Criminal t shirt. The video shows what happened here. More fixed penalties were issued but most of us walked just far enough out of their way. After they bundled (E) into the van Kenyon signalled officers to take down (I). She went to sit on the steps, as she began to have an asthma attack. 2 officers stood over her, giving her no space, Kenyon wouldn't let me go to her, He snarled at me, "Do you think we can't manage? and if you don't leave here I'm taking your details, you were down at the other Square and were told to disperse". I walked the other side of (I) and said to the officers "let me take her for a coffee, she's not well". They ignored me and took her details. As she felt better, (cool as a cucumber) she got up and walked away, they called after her "take care (I).
We left, as quite a large group by now to go for a much needed drink, 2 officers did walk down to the man with a flag and he quickly whipped it down and left. We walked past 3 TRA? possibly who looked quite terrified of us! No one said anything. After this some of us went in (I')s "Terf wagon" to Elland Road police station to await the release of Posie and the Thought Criminal (Turned out she'd been taken somewhere else). After a wait of probably half hour, Posie came out, all smile and glamour and we all chatted, had a photo and waited for her husband to collect her. I left at this point as my car was in the park and ride opposite and the Terfwagon went back to the pub to join the other group.
Each one of those women were bloody awesome. I didn't hear one swear or be rude to the Police although each stood her ground. I think the total was 3 arrests and 6 fixed penalties as one girl got two! I was lucky in that no details were taken nor was I fined. Would I go again to the next one? You bet. I'll bloody organise it.

Thank you for your report back. Yes bloody awesome.
Mammatino · 22/09/2020 21:36

Power to the fishdoggy. That’s a really concise account, thanks for posting.

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