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Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 12:31

She's live streaming on YT

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Mammatino · 21/09/2020 21:09

The last few pages of this thread have been wonderful to read, picsinred you are spot on and Malahaha your post really touched me. The angry middle aged women well I’m with you! This is what Posie is doing getting women talking to each other, sharing our stories and this is what it means to be a woman. Thank you.

ChattyLion · 21/09/2020 21:09

Thanks PicsInRed and CivilCervix your posts really resonated. Same here.

Wishingstarr · 21/09/2020 21:10

Also the workload of motherhood, which society and younger women are generally oblivious too.

TinselAngel · 21/09/2020 21:17

Look what Standing for Women are now selling! Utter genius.

https://www.standingforwomen.com/product-page/the-emily?utmcampaign=ff73d3e2-31cf-4f6b-9f51-eab508dd0319&utmmsource=so&utmmedium=mail&cid=02515297-b3ef-4c8f-a6d9-e4a2e0404d9c

osprey24 · 21/09/2020 21:21

That was quick! Posie is a brilliant strategist.

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/09/2020 21:29

Bloody brilliant

unwashedanddazed · 21/09/2020 21:30

Since experiencing menopause I've come to believe that oestrogen acts like rose-tinted glasses. Once your levels diminish you begin to see the actions of men for what they really are. Oestrogen is nature's trick to make us reproduce. And middle-aged women are despised because we see so sharply.

(Unless reading a restaurant menu in which case our arms aren't long enough.)

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/09/2020 21:36

@PronounssheRa

mobile.twitter.com/KarlPhelan/status/1308013142140743682

The crazy are trying to cancel Adam Wagner. Adam has never said he supports feminists, never said he agrees with Posie. What he did say was the police were wrong on this point.

They're bonkers. Their behaviour is absolutely cult-like. Chant the script and all is good. Step out of line (translation-tell the truth) and you're done.

He was merely pointing out the law, as a human rights barrister. Some of these people really don't like to think of women as humans deserving of rights, do they?

Jesus, can't they see how unhinged they're coming across? It's quite frightening how unaware some people are.

MillyMollyFarmer · 21/09/2020 21:53

oestrogen acts like rose-tinted glasses. Once your levels diminish you begin to see the actions of men for what they really are.

It’s the oxytocin! I’m in peri menopause and absolutely the rose tinted glasses are off! It’s not just men. Everyone takes the piss out of women, especially mums. Oxytocin lowering means we don’t have this stupid urge to look after everyone anymore and now we see we have been taken advantage of. And damn, I’m mad about it! My family hug me a lot because that’s meant to increase oxytocin Grin

littlbrowndog · 21/09/2020 21:54

From twitter. I edited a bit just well you knoev

Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds
OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 21/09/2020 21:56

@PronounssheRa

mobile.twitter.com/KarlPhelan/status/1308013142140743682

The crazy are trying to cancel Adam Wagner. Adam has never said he supports feminists, never said he agrees with Posie. What he did say was the police were wrong on this point.

Pretty sure he'd be against her if anything. I seem to recall him having come out with some pro self ID stuff before. I want to say in relation to Maya Forstater?
littlbrowndog · 21/09/2020 21:56

The original was this

Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds
littlbrowndog · 21/09/2020 21:58

Meanwhile in their what is it called wherevwomen and girls are sold to men

Managed zone 🤦‍♀️

Melroses · 21/09/2020 22:47

@MillyMollyFarmer

oestrogen acts like rose-tinted glasses. Once your levels diminish you begin to see the actions of men for what they really are.

It’s the oxytocin! I’m in peri menopause and absolutely the rose tinted glasses are off! It’s not just men. Everyone takes the piss out of women, especially mums. Oxytocin lowering means we don’t have this stupid urge to look after everyone anymore and now we see we have been taken advantage of. And damn, I’m mad about it! My family hug me a lot because that’s meant to increase oxytocin Grin

I thought it was the lack of progesterone. Grin
MillyMollyFarmer · 21/09/2020 22:53

Oh it’s all of it! Blimin menopause

Melroses · 21/09/2020 23:16

The hormones all work together to fool us into reproduction.

Menopause is a release Grin (of sorts Sad )

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2020 03:02

Not for everyone Grin

My sight was clear since about 8 yo.

Not fun!

Also lesbians have no skin in that game and so are clear eyed as well.

Welcome :)

And wow it's a bastard to notice this shit.

SunsetBeetch · 22/09/2020 07:36

Does anyone remember the nonsense about feminists-attending-a-WPUK-event spitting at trans-rights-protestors in Brighton I think? IIRC it all started with someone posting here saying they'd seen it, which turned out to be a load of nonsense, but still generated a load of shares on twitter. It was totally fabricated. Evidence is important.

Isn't that the rumour for which Harrop had to issue a public apology to the woman he accused, and make a donation to a womens' charity?

Socrates11 · 22/09/2020 08:36

Butterer said earlier about Leeds not having a speakers corner. There is a small charity called Speakers Corner Trust who support people trying to set up speakers corners and develop a national network of speakers corners
www.speakerscornertrust.org/

From the website

UK Projects
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SCT’s UK pilot was launched in Nottingham in February 2008 and inaugurated by the Justice Secretary Jack Straw in February 2009. Its second UK project was launched in Lichfield in May 2009 with more following in Bristol, the London Borough of Waltham Forest, Lincoln, Herefordshire and Leicester and still more under development or in the pipeline.

There are some interesting essays on free speech on the SCT website.

Butterer · 22/09/2020 09:07

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 22/09/2020 09:58

Wrt that book, I would like to read it.
Sarah Pedersen spoke at the Edinburgh uni event after which Julie bindel was assaulted, if anyone recalls that.
She spoke very well about mumsnet as a space for a 'subaltern counterpublic' to meet and discuss things and form ideas.
Activism isn't a dirty word within Scottish academia tbh. Neither is radical.

Malahaha · 22/09/2020 10:38

@Melroses

The hormones all work together to fool us into reproduction.

Menopause is a release Grin (of sorts Sad )

That's me all over: love menopausal insight, hate the stiff joints!

I came to MN straight to this board, and for ages I didn't stray anywhere else. But of late I've been reading a few of the relationships threads and AIBU, and the stories of men duping (young) women, their aggressive, narcissistic behaviour -- it's horrific! and at the same time so familiar. I too was duped and taken for a ride so many times, all through trying to be nice, to be generous, to comply, to win him through sheer niceness, convert him, prove that "love conquers all". And it doesn't. It was never love, it was always neediness and subjugation and if I could I'd go back and give my younger self a good slap. And tell myself, LTB!!!!

I see similar advice given to those women on MN boards and I say, Yes! Yes! LTB! But I know they won't. They have to go through the whole horrible charade and learn the hard way, just as I did.

As they say, youth is wasted on the young. If only post-menopausal women could plant our older minds into our young bodies, what fun we could have putting those bastards in their places, righting all those wrongs! They'd want us but could never get us!

And yes I know NAMALT and I finally got a good one. In fact, all the men I've known closely for the past couple decades have been really good ones; the only bastard was my stepson (now in his mid 40's) who behaved abominably to his father and me. I'm not a man-hater. But the bad ones tend to shout the loudest.

Butterer · 22/09/2020 11:09

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NiceGerbil · 22/09/2020 11:14

Sorry big generalisation last night about skin in the game!

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 22/09/2020 11:14

It was never love, it was always neediness and subjugation

This is what I would tell my younger self. It's not love and it's not even desire. It's just a power dynamic, and women are on the losing side.

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