Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

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She's live streaming on YT

This is a good example of a thread where derailing has the opposite effect to that intended. There comes a point where the made up stuff is so transparently pulled out of someone's arse that it's clear to anyone reading.

@nauticant

This is a good example of a thread where derailing has the opposite effect to that intended. There comes a point where the made up stuff is so transparently pulled out of someone's arse that it's clear to anyone reading.

Indeed. I always thank people for allowing me the opportunity to post facts, figures, evidence.

Unfortunately, after my posting them, those opportunities tend to stop.

This is so good:
we should be kind to each other but I find it odd how women are always the last get the kindness.... its like kind is some kind of a pie but we aren't going to get any. So we have the most murders, domestic violence abuse, wage gap etc etc as the kindness seems to be sucked up by white males... odd

fatblackcatspaw - thank you for that

I've just watched Posie's debrief video. The police's reaction to being told her phone was still streaming must have been a sight to see. Good, I'm glad they've been shown up for what they are.

I've never watched any of her videos before this week, now I've seen the Haddock one and this. I like how cool and calm she seems despite the provocation.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=jWvfOzJz8QE

She is perfect for this. She keeps her eye on the ball. Reactions don't get in the way of the aim.

I’m so shocked by the “thought criminal” being arrested that really is a chilling image.

On the desperate flailing to find a reason why it’s all perfectly fine for the police to take it upon the,selves to prevent lawful protest- it never ceases to make me laugh, this delusion from certain quarters that gender critical feminism isn’t a real thing, and can’t be expected to achieve anything. I really do think that some people truly believe that the campaign to,retain womens rights is confined to message boards populated by man haters and propagated by some unholy combination of a dozen angry lesbians and a Russian bot farm funded by cash from American evangelicals.

Then something like a really successful crowdfunder, or the GRA reform being kicked into the long grass, or this protest happens, and that delusion comes up hard against the evidence of well organised and purposeful protest supported by loads of ordinary people - it’s gold. I’ll never get tired of the spluttering confusion and desperate attempts to discredit us.

I was at the event. It's going a way back into the thread but it tickled me that someone thought those weighty black bags were musical instruments. They were actually Posie's banners, which we did get to unveil, albeit briefly. Didn't think it appropriate to bring the full jazz band to what was meant to be a speaking event, but maybe that can happen next time.

You don't have to be a corona skeptic or anti-masker to see the potential for abuse in some of the provisions in the Coronavirus Act. I'm not persuaded that it's all a conspiracy to impose a police state on us, but the actions of the police on the ground yesterday were really worrying and at odds with what you'd hope to see in a democracy. There was this weird eagerness and barely-restrained anger, particularly from the plainclothes sgt. It's almost like they'd been waiting a long time to have the power to manhandle women out of the public square.

You don't have to be a corona skeptic or anti-masker to see the potential for abuse in some of the provisions in the Coronavirus Act. I'm not persuaded that it's all a conspiracy to impose a police state on us, but the actions of the police on the ground yesterday were really worrying and at odds with what you'd hope to see in a democracy. There was this weird eagerness and barely-restrained anger, particularly from the plainclothes sgt. It's almost like they'd been waiting a long time to have the power to manhandle women out of the public square.

Yeah, it's unintended consequences and over-reach of powers - cock up rather than conspiracy. But the end result is still a scary erosion of civil liberties.

In the end it doesn't much matter on what grounds your political freedom is being curtailed, all that really matters is that it is being curtailed.

Having said that I do have some hope, because English law relies so heavily on precendent, and on the concept of equality before the law - and there are so many political groups whose protests have been deemed to be important enough that they've been allowed to go ahead despite covid restrictions. So when this all comes to court, WYP's actions are going to look at best alarmingly ad hoc, and at worst, incited by agents provocateurs from outside the police trying to stir up trouble.

There was this weird eagerness and barely-restrained anger, particularly from the plainclothes sgt.

His bullying, yelling, body language, all of it was plain for everyone to see. Absolutely loving telling women to disperse immediately or else.

Very intimidating for anyone who was there. So bloody well done to Posie.

I find it odd how women are always the last get the kindness.... its like kind is some kind of a pie but we aren't going to get any.

'Be kind' is essentially a command to obey female socialisation. This is why it is not often said men, since they rarely stop seeking a goal or change direction out of guilt or sense of responsibility on hearing it; it doesn't have much effect on them or meaning for them, and isn't expected to. It is expected to redirect a woman, and imply there is something lacking and wrong about her if it doesn't.

Female socialisation means: put others first, serve others first, mummy eats last and least after everyone else's needs are met, and good women do this without mentioning or complaining about it .

'Be kind' means essentially in this context 'be good'. Where 'good' has a very specific meaning. It's rather like other buzzwords thrown about such as 'diversity', 'inclusion', and 'intersectionality', where the point is attempting to gain compliance from others rather than reflecting any real integrity based belief in the value itself. And in all those words, it is always one way only with an expectation that this should be accepted as due to some but not to others. It is a world view that tries to separate the world into the served and the servers.

Wow look

That’s really interesting tirisfalpumpkin

Totally agree re the potential for abuse in the Covid regulations. And I say that as someone who reflexively clenches at images of all protests right now. My impulse is to say “well, couldn’t it wait, isn’t it a bit selfish and stupid to do this right now?”, but I think my impulse is wrong. It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy, but as the cliche goes, it’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow anyone any good, and these arrests have demonstrated how easy it can be to game it to shut up people you don’t agree with.

So when this all comes to court

What's being done about bringing it to court? What sort of court case?

When ever someone says 'be kind' now I know I have to be on high alert for my rights and boundaries.

THIS
'It also took me a while to have it sink in that one woman - be it me or someone else - being just fine and dandy with eg transwomen in refuges did not mean that I was able to consent on behalf of all women, despite their objections'

Having a friend in her 50's weaping still traumatised by the domestic violence she experienced as a child at a meeting about our sex based rights being removed. THIS is why I will not shut up. THANK YOU POSIE THANK YOU LEEDS SPINNERS THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO WILL NOT SHUT UP.

Interesting, Littlbrowndog

Looks as if it may conclude that letting female people talk together ends in them thinking about and standing up for their rights/saying no activism , which sounds like a rather dirty word. And not a nice thing for nice female people to be doing. When they really should be talking about prams and not people like Posie.

@MichelleofzeResistance

I find it odd how women are always the last get the kindness.... its like kind is some kind of a pie but we aren't going to get any.

'Be kind' is essentially a command to obey female socialisation. This is why it is not often said men, since they rarely stop seeking a goal or change direction out of guilt or sense of responsibility on hearing it; it doesn't have much effect on them or meaning for them, and isn't expected to. It is expected to redirect a woman, and imply there is something lacking and wrong about her if it doesn't.

Female socialisation means: put others first, serve others first, mummy eats last and least after everyone else's needs are met, and good women do this without mentioning or complaining about it .

'Be kind' means essentially in this context 'be good'. Where 'good' has a very specific meaning. It's rather like other buzzwords thrown about such as 'diversity', 'inclusion', and 'intersectionality', where the point is attempting to gain compliance from others rather than reflecting any real integrity based belief in the value itself. And in all those words, it is always one way only with an expectation that this should be accepted as due to some but not to others. It is a world view that tries to separate the world into the served and the servers.

When I was a young teenager I used to watch my mum do all the housework, cook all the meals, the ironing, the cups of tea we all endlessly drunk. She was made to always be available to us all. I would think, why doesn't she just sit down? Now I am a mother, and that inclination towards availability is mine to manage. I don't do many of the things she did, but I can now understand how she got to that place where she couldn't say no to anyone. So many women aren't able to just prioritise their own needs and desires and it's such an ancient, ingrained, tendency.