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Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 12:31

She's live streaming on YT

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ChattyLion · 20/09/2020 23:54

Fucking hell. Flowers Posie and all the other brave women arrested and harassed today.

ethelredonagoodday · 21/09/2020 00:04

I'm pretty nearby. Had I picked up on it, I'd have tried my hardest to attend.

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/09/2020 00:05

Posie is a fucking genius.
If she needs crowdfunding I hope someone will point us in the right direction.
And not forgetting everyone else who was involved today Wine Wine Wine

DeliciouslyFemale · 21/09/2020 00:05

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up.

That always works out well for them, doesn’t it? It’s almost as if their subconscious is GC and they can’t stop themselves from accidentally helping. The more they throw their toys out of the pram, the more light is shone on them. ⚽️ 🥅

Quaagars · 21/09/2020 00:15

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up

Or maybe it was just police out as you're not supposed to be out gathering in groups now, especially with Leeds maybe on lockdown as of today.

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/09/2020 00:16

The more they throw their toys out of the pram, the more light is shone on them.

They just can't help themselves, can they? Bless. If they were smart, they'd ignore Posie, but they just can't resist the temptation to shut a woman up and put her back in her place. It's the male entitlement seeping out of them.

It's weird that they'll tell us over and over that they're not trying to harm/take women's rights. There's no clash whatsoever. Yet they throw tantrums and resort to insults and threats, and turning up to disrupt meetings when women speak up for said rights. What are they scared of, seriously?

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/09/2020 00:19

Quaagars did you see how many people were out in Blackpool today ? And not a copper in sight

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Quaagars · 21/09/2020 00:23

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up
They just can't help themselves, can they? Bless. If they were smart, they'd ignore Posie, but they just can't resist the temptation to shut a woman up and put her back in her place. It's the male entitlement seeping out of them

You have no idea whether it was "TRA's" (have put that in brackets before anyone pulls up because what does that actually mean? Trans people just quietly going about their lives but have a social media presence too and occasionally speak up? They seem to get linked in with extreme view points)
or just anyone

Butterer · 21/09/2020 00:25

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Quaagars · 21/09/2020 00:39

How can Leeds be maybe on lockdown?
It either on lockdown or it isn't

Leeds definitely on near lockdown starting tomorrow or Tuesday.
If it now isn't, that's definitely a new development.

SirVixofVixHall · 21/09/2020 00:39

The irony of a man telling a group of appropriately-distanced and masked women that they are breaking Covid rules, while he himself gets too close and is wearing a mask on his chin, with his nose over the top.

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Delphinium20 · 21/09/2020 00:42

@MilleniumHallsWalledGarden that Scooby Doo post was brilliant. Halo

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yourhairiswinterfire · 21/09/2020 00:54

@Quaagars

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up They just can't help themselves, can they? Bless. If they were smart, they'd ignore Posie, but they just can't resist the temptation to shut a woman up and put her back in her place. It's the male entitlement seeping out of them

You have no idea whether it was "TRA's" (have put that in brackets before anyone pulls up because what does that actually mean? Trans people just quietly going about their lives but have a social media presence too and occasionally speak up? They seem to get linked in with extreme view points)
or just anyone

Just speculation in this case, of course, but these are common tactics we've seen before, so I wouldn't be at all surprised. Don't mind being proven wrong though. Someone could have reported it, or it could be coppers thinking some political protests are more deserving than others. I just think it's suspicious that the police were ready and waiting, and they didn't bat an eyelid to the counter protest going on.

I thought it was clear enough I was referring to the kind of activists that love shutting up and bullying women, and turn up to a women's meeting to violently disrupt it. I specifically mentioned their behaviour, so it was obvious I wasn't talking about trans people going about their lives and debating respectfully-I'm all ears for them.

I don't personally link all trans people in with the extremists at all.

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Quaagars · 21/09/2020 01:01

I was referring to the kind of activists that love shutting up and bullying women, and turn up to a women's meeting to violently disrupt it. I specifically mentioned their behaviour, so it was obvious I wasn't talking about trans people going about their lives and debating respectfully-I'm all ears for them.I don't personally link all trans people in with the extremists at all.

Sometimes it is difficult to differentiate on here so good you feel that way
Ones that want to just shut up women for concerns yeah hear you there

wellbehavedwomen · 21/09/2020 01:13

@Aesopfable

Most women I know (correction - every woman I know) couldn't give two hoots about transwomen!

Most women I know don’t know that transactivists are demanding that middle aged men be allowed to follow their teenage daughters into a changing room and strip off in front of them just because they say they ‘identify as a women’ but without making any changes to their appearance or clothing at all. Most women I know don’t realise women are being locked up in prison with male rapists. Most women I know don’t know their daughters are being taught that not wanting to strip off/change for PE in front of boys who are wondering about their gender is transphobic. Most women I know are not aware that males are competing in female sports despite an undeniable male physical advantage destroying women’s chances.

When women I know find out they give a lot more than two hoots about it! That is why they are so desperate to silence Kellie-Jay.

This.

I didn't give two hoots, though I wished trans people well and wished the horrid transphobes would stop making their lives harder. Then I looked into it (so as to better rebut said transphobes) and dear God, what I found.

Now? Now, I give all the hoots. Believe me.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/09/2020 01:43

The TRAs are basically a job creation scheme for the Supreme Court.

CharlieParley · 21/09/2020 02:43

Or maybe it was just police out as you're not supposed to be out gathering in groups now, especially with Leeds maybe on lockdown as of today.

At this point this is just disingenuous.

As the Leeds Spinners reported in three videos and Kellie-Jay on hers, they communicated with the police beforehand, told them exactly who they were and what they were protesting about.

Standing for Women (that is KJ) did the required risk assessment, Leeds Spinners got spare masks, hand sanitiser and chalk in order to measure out socially distanced standing places. They also did not exceed 30 people at any point (which isn't a limitation applied to protests in any case, but gives you an idea that complying with the Covid-restrictions to socially distance was entirely doable in such a big outdoor space).

Following several hours worth of communications between the plainclothes officer seen in the videos and a member of Leeds Spinners, WYP seem to then have decided they would just penalise them all for being there. Otherwise they would not have had two police vans there before the organisers even arrived on scene.

Provided all extra rules are complied with, protests remain legal unless the place you're planning on doing it is in special lockdown measures. Leeds was not under such measures today. Ergo, the protest was not illegal and WYP should have left the women to argue in defence of their rights in peace.

And they were brave, all of the women there in the face of male aggression and a police force hellbent on silencing women.

As the courageous young woman with the thought criminal t-shirt on was actually in the middle of reading her speech about women's rights when the police intervened and then arrested her, we have it on various videos that the police did indeed silence a woman's rights campaigner.

NotBadConsidering · 21/09/2020 04:27

@SapphosRock

Everyone keeps saying she's got us talking about 'it'

What exactly?

It's not clear from the video what they are actually protesting? (Couldn't be bothered to watch the whole thing admittedly)

Women are adult human females. Is she trying to repeal the GRA? Self ID isn't happening so it can't be that.

Just catching up with the thread. Isn’t it remarkable Sapphos how you posted a long mea culpa thread about how sad you were about Diva magazine no longer allowing space for women - lesbians specifically in that case - to talk about issues that affect them without interference from males, yet you can’t find it within yourself to support a woman who is protesting for the right for women to be allowed to directly address issues affecting women without the interference from males.

You don’t seem to have changed at all, or maybe your other thread was just bullshit, I can’t tell. Sad, either way.

SunsetBeetch · 21/09/2020 07:03

@Quaagars

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up

Or maybe it was just police out as you're not supposed to be out gathering in groups now, especially with Leeds maybe on lockdown as of today.

But this happened yesterday...
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 21/09/2020 07:39

As the Leeds Spinners reported in three videos and Kellie-Jay on hers, they communicated with the police beforehand, told them exactly who they were and what they were protesting about. Standing for Women (that is KJ) did the required risk assessment, Leeds Spinners got spare masks, hand sanitiser and chalk in order to measure out socially distanced standing places. They also did not exceed 30 people at any point (which isn't a limitation applied to protests in any case, but gives you an idea that complying with the Covid-restrictions to socially distance was entirely doable in such a big outdoor space).

As the courageous young woman with the thought criminal t-shirt on was actually in the middle of reading her speech about women's rights when the police intervened and then arrested her, we have it on various videos that the police did indeed silence a woman's rights campaigner.

Worth repeating. Other political protests and demos have all been allowed. Women must be silenced.

CrossPorpoises · 21/09/2020 08:12

You don’t seem to have changed at all, or maybe your other thread was just bullshit, I can’t tell. Sad, either way.

Leopards and their stupid fucking spots, eh?