Kelly-Jay currently being arrested in Leeds

[BettyFloop]

She's live streaming on YT

Men just seem to think the answer is just silencing women. That's their entire answer and that's why we should NEVER shut up! Well done Posie and all the women (and men) who turned out at Leeds today! Thanks for standing up for all of us. Posie should go on Joe Rogan in the USA he has millions of listeners to his podcast and is very big on freedom of speech. He and his listeners would be extremely interested in this and his audience is majority young and male. More men than women don't believe TWAW so it's an audience that needs to understand how bad policy and reality is already getting for women. I am in the USA and noone I know thinks TWAW no matter what the MSM says.

@Kazakaren

Posted at 14:50 earlier in this thread.

Thanks!

@Butterer

Oops this is from the quoted post by *@ItsAllGoingToBeFine*

Thanks!

But you can see in the vid. The plains clothes officer loitering and watching. Creepy as

Then he put on his lanyard and mask

Why was he there. There was only 16 women and 6 police persons

Why was he there ?

@Datun

I just put the fact that they didn't down to porr judgement rather than mendacity.

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me.

It's fairly clear from Posie's debrief account of things that the police came pre-prepared to shut things down. They had vans parked either side of the square, and closed in on the protesters from either side as the protesters walked towards the place where the demo was to take place. It also seems clear that the plain clothes officers, Kenyon, was pre-briefed on it all, and came to it all with (searching for a neutral turn of phrase here) a "game plan."

However, I don't think it's worked out quite the way they anticipated!

Also, kudos to Adam Wagner. He is politically on the other side of the debate (from what I gather) but can see that this is an instance where the ramifications for free speech, freedom of assembly and political freedom far outweigh whatever personal views you may have on the matter at hand. We need more people to take that line.

What will happen from here, does anyone have an inkling? I'm not too clued up about how all of this works, but trying to learn.

I can't see Posie just letting it go-could she do them for wrongful arrest? Could the police face ramifications for shutting down what seems to be a lawful political protest?

This is so sinister.

I wonder if the CPS will drop this. Will be a difficult one for them; I am sure they would love to prosecute these uppity women who dare to stand up for women’s rights, but if they do they will be giving them more publicity....

could she do them for wrongful arrest?

I think so, legal minds will hopefully let us know or maybe Posie will in another video

Does anybody want to ask the authors of the protest handbook about this?

They are specialist protest lawyers (and also members of Allison Bailey's chambers).

I wonder where they stand on this issue?

Would Posie be able to apply for a freedom of information, in order to find why the police were there in the first place and if they had been given false information?

@raddledoldmisanthropist

Apologies if someone has posted this already, I'm just catching up on the thread, but I can't see it. I am fairly certain (it's hard to pin down) his is the relevant exemptions to the legislation in question, taking 15/09/20 as the latest version:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020

F28(1) During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering which consists of more than six people unless—

..........

3.(i)the gathering is for the purposes of protest and—
(i)it has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body, or a political body, and
(ii)the gathering organiser complies with paragraph (5G),

.......

(5G) The gathering organiser or manager (as the case may be) complies with this paragraph if, in relation to the relevant gathering, they—

(a)have carried out a risk assessment which would satisfy the requirements of regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999, whether or not the gathering organiser or manager is subject to those Regulations, and
(b)have taken all reasonable measures to limit the risk of transmission of the coronavirus, taking into account—
(i)the risk assessment carried out under sub-paragraph (a), and
(ii)any guidance issued by the government which is relevant to the gathering.

She might be on thin ice then.

Is she a “political body”. I know it was a political protest but not sure she counts as a body or charitable institution.

If she does count as one of those hope she’s done a risk assessment which meets all those other bits.

@Aesopfable

I wonder if the CPS will drop this. Will be a difficult one for them; I am sure they would love to prosecute these uppity women who dare to stand up for women’s rights, but if they do they will be giving them more publicity....

I reckon the CPS will drop this like a hot potato. Yes, they've been thoroughly Stonewalled, but they must (surely) be able to recognise an open and shut case (against the police) when they see one.

The question is whether Posie can bring a case for wrongful arrest and/or false imprisonment.

@JacobReesMogadishu

No she isn’t.

Yes, she set up a group with published political aims.

Yes, she did a risk assessment as required.

The police apparently were aware of all this but claimed they had talked to them organisers’ and confirmed it wasn’t a political protest. She is on video telling them she WAS the organiser.

TRAs have been busy getting their pet policemen out in Yorkshire.

@DeliciouslyFemale

Would Posie be able to apply for a freedom of information, in order to find why the police were there in the first place and if they had been given false information?

If she insists on being prosecuted she can request a huge amount of stuff under pre-trial 'disclosure' rules.

It's about holding holding one's nerve.

I think that's the way this will go.

It's about holding holding one's nerve

Well if there was ever a woman for that job!

This pic sums up what is happening to women in our country who just want to talk tbh

[quote Mmn654123]@JacobReesMogadishu

No she isn’t.

Yes, she set up a group with published political aims.

Yes, she did a risk assessment as required.

The police apparently were aware of all this but claimed they had talked to them organisers’ and confirmed it wasn’t a political protest. She is on video telling them she WAS the organiser.

TRAs have been busy getting their pet policemen out in Yorkshire.[/quote]
I really hope so. I know she’s set up a political organisation.....I’m just worried a court might interpret “political body” as needing to be something more official. I’m hopefully wrong though. Good that she did the risk assessment. Hope she gets them for wrongful arrest.

The High Court might have the unenviable task of defining what constitutes in law a 'political body', given that the government won't, the police can't, and the public have rights to free speech.

Posie's got this.

I’m just worried a court might interpret “political body” as needing to be something more official.

I honestly think that would go so far against the general tenor of constitutional law in this country that it would go all the way up to our Supreme Court if any lower court judge was daft enough to try to rule that "political body" was synonymous with "officially registered political body." I mean, that would be a fucking huge call for a County Court judge to make, and would be pretty much guaranteed to be overturned in higher courts.

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up.

I agree.
Police vans already at both ends of the square. The women approached by police before anyone had said anything. The moving goalposts and officers seeming to not know what they were doing.

This is WYP, after all....

I’m just worried a court might interpret “political body” as needing to be something more official.

The definition of political body includes the following:

“political campaigning organisation” means any person carrying on, or proposing to carry on activities—

(a)to promote, or oppose, changes in any law applicable in the United Kingdom or elsewhere, or any policy of a governmental or public authority (unless such activities are incidental to other activities carried on by that person), or

Any person opposing changes to a UK law.

Which KJ has been doing publicly for over two years, with a number of public campaigns, media appearances, a YouTube channel, a specifically founded organisation called Standing for Women, and most recently, including today, a number of public protests on the theme of women taking back the right to publicly exercise their freedom of expression to stand up for their rights in opposition to a planned law reform that negatively impacts women's legal rights in the UK.

I think she's covered.

@BettyFloop

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up.

I agree.
Police vans already at both ends of the square. The women approached by police before anyone had said anything. The moving goalposts and officers seeming to not know what they were doing.

This is WYP, after all....

Not forgetting the presence of at least one plain clothes police officer.

Not forgetting the presence of at least one plain clothes police officer.

Agreed ClosdesMouches - that was v sinister.

The police were there in advance, waiting.

I hope WYP are made to explain their action in court. Their behaviour is atrocious.

Saw this on twitter and it made me laugh