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BettyFloop · 2020-09-20T11:31:31+00:00

She's live streaming on YT [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttvIHcPwzbI]]

MartiniDry · 20/09/2020 21:14

Thank you, SapphosRock, both for bumping this thread so that I noticed it and, well, for bumping this thread.
You're doing sterling work. Do carry on.

CharlieParley · 20/09/2020 21:16

So have I got this right - she was told she could be let off if she gave her details and she refused which resulted in arresting?
If so (happy to stand corrected) sounds like she wanted to get arrested in order to come across as all martyr like.

If by martyr you mean a woman prepared to stand up for women's political rights to freedom of speech and assembly and to organising as a political class, then yes.

But more to the point, I'm not sure why you're thinking she should accept a fine to avoid being arrested when she hadn't done anything punishable by said fine. That way police states work.

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CivilCervix · 20/09/2020 21:20

If by martyr you mean a woman prepared to stand up for women's political rights to freedom of speech and assembly and to organising as a political class, then yes.

Yes and she wants her day in court.

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BettyFloop · 20/09/2020 21:24

Quaagars

Here's Posie herself explaining why she refused to give them her details - and it was nothing to do with "coming across as all martyr like"

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SoManyActivities · 20/09/2020 21:26

@Quaagars

So have I got this right - she was told she could be let off if she gave her details and she refused which resulted in arresting? If so (happy to stand corrected) sounds like she wanted to get arrested in order to come across as all martyr like.

She didn't want to give her details because she hadn't done anything wrong. And as she says, she will now have her day in court.

I love the fact that all these men, police, TRAs, beard woke bros are just getting increasingly frustrated by these women who just won't bloody do what they are told.

'No debate' has not worked and my god are the wheels coming off!

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/09/2020 21:33

The Thought Criminal T-shirt was absolutely brilliant

raddledoldmisanthropist · 20/09/2020 21:34

Apologies if someone has posted this already, I'm just catching up on the thread, but I can't see it. I am fairly certain (it's hard to pin down) his is the relevant exemptions to the legislation in question, taking 15/09/20 as the latest version:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020

F28(1) During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering which consists of more than six people unless—

..........

3.(i)the gathering is for the purposes of protest and—
(i)it has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body, or a political body, and
(ii)the gathering organiser complies with paragraph (5G),

.......

(5G) The gathering organiser or manager (as the case may be) complies with this paragraph if, in relation to the relevant gathering, they—

(a)have carried out a risk assessment which would satisfy the requirements of regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999, whether or not the gathering organiser or manager is subject to those Regulations, and
(b)have taken all reasonable measures to limit the risk of transmission of the coronavirus, taking into account—
(i)the risk assessment carried out under sub-paragraph (a), and
(ii)any guidance issued by the government which is relevant to the gathering.

Datun · 20/09/2020 21:35

@Redshoeblueshoe

The Thought Criminal T-shirt was absolutely brilliant

That image is GOLD.

raddledoldmisanthropist · 20/09/2020 21:43

The police may have had a point if (for exmple) social distancing wasn't being observed- there have been other protesters arrested for not doing so in a safe way (and many not) but I can't see how Posie's groups isn't a 'political body'.

That said it seems reasonable, if you want to organise a protest in the UK at this time, that you take some minimal steps to demonstrate to the police that you aren't just taking the piss. Having watched the video I don't think this is a case of the police specifically trying to stop women discussing their rights.

I respect Posie's formidable ability to bring attention to Self-ID but I worry that being so obstructive makes it look like she's representing fringe views.

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/09/2020 21:44

Dating I don't know why, but I find the whole image amazing. You can't see the woman's face, which I think is perfect.
It is the photo of 2020. Chilling and thought provoking

ArabellaScott · 20/09/2020 21:44

@HazzaTheOwl

I cannot imagine why plain clothed officers were involved if this were truly a simple Covid violation. Covid legislation appears increasingly to be a useful tool for the locking down of political activity.

This.

PronounssheRa · 20/09/2020 21:45

mobile.twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1307749369505083394

Adam Wagner (Human rights barrister) agrees that based on the videos etc that the police are wrong about it not being political.

I hope Posie sues them. We might need a bigger spade!

SunsetBeetch · 20/09/2020 21:50

It needs to go in a t-shirt, for sure.

NiceGerbil · 20/09/2020 21:50

Just watched the video with the woman being arrested.

Bloody hell.

SunsetBeetch · 20/09/2020 21:50

*on

TinselAngel · 20/09/2020 21:51

That said it seems reasonable, if you want to organise a protest in the UK at this time, that you take some minimal steps to demonstrate to the police that you aren't just taking the piss. Having watched the video I don't think this is a case of the police specifically trying to stop women discussing their rights.

Well the police did make an assessment that Leeds Resisters and/ or Standing for Women are not political organisations.

SunsetBeetch · 20/09/2020 21:51

@PronounssheRa

mobile.twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1307749369505083394

Adam Wagner (Human rights barrister) agrees that based on the videos etc that the police are wrong about it not being political.

I hope Posie sues them. We might need a bigger spade!

And Adam's not exactly pro-t*rf.

Stripesgalore · 20/09/2020 21:52

‘Having watched the video I don't think this is a case of the police specifically trying to stop women discussing their rights.’

How? The woman in the thought criminal top is reading out a speech on women’s rights. Other people are standing around listening to her. The police walk up and arrest her.

CaraDuneRedux · 20/09/2020 21:54

@raddledoldmisanthropist Posie's just put up a youtube video (page or so back in the thread) with her "debrief" and she talks about how she spent yesterday carefully going through the stuff you mention, and making sure that they'd done the risk assessment and taken reasonable steps (masks and hand sanitiser available for all, taking contact phone numbers for contact tracing, bringing chalk to mark out safe distancing, etc.)

JamieLeeCurtains · 20/09/2020 21:54

Having watched the video I don't think this is a case of the police specifically trying to stop women discussing their rights.

I've watched it three times, and checked it against current legislation and local guidelines, and listened to and watched the contemporaneous witness statements and later ones (that will undoubtedly be relied on in court), and I am very confident that the Police have broken the law here, and will be found to have done so in the High Court.

People don't normally bother to take things like this further. That's why they're swept under the carpet, and have been for decades.

That god for livestreaming.

raddledoldmisanthropist · 20/09/2020 21:57

Well the police did make an assessment that Leeds Resisters and/ or Standing for Women are not political organisations.

How? The woman in the thought criminal top is reading out a speech on women’s rights. Other people are standing around listening to her. The police walk up and arrest her.

To be clear, I still think the police were wrong, I just don't think they were targeting Posie because it was about women's rights. I think it would have been trivial to look at the website, ask about the campaign and ensure everyone was appropriately distanced. I just put the fact that they didn't down to porr judgement rather than mendacity.

raddledoldmisanthropist · 20/09/2020 22:01

addledoldmisanthropist Posie's just put up a youtube video (page or so back in the thread) with her "debrief" and she talks about how she spent yesterday carefully going through the stuff you mention, and making sure that they'd done the risk assessment and taken reasonable steps (masks and hand sanitiser available for all, taking contact phone numbers for contact tracing, bringing chalk to mark out safe distancing, etc.)

Fair enough. I haven't seen that- I'll have a nosey in the morning. If that's been given to the police then that video really is inexcusable.

If they really do know about the campaign and the risk assessment and are relying soley on standing for women 'not being political' then I agree it seems both batshit and difficult to explain without concluding a deliberate attempt to control speech.

Datun · 20/09/2020 22:01

I just put the fact that they didn't down to porr judgement rather than mendacity.

I, and this is just a wild guess, put it down to a tra phoning the police to shut Posie up.

Kantastic · 20/09/2020 22:02

The judgement in question being the judgment that a campaign for women's rights is "not political."

Yes, I think we can all agree that it was poor judgement.