Irish women, have you seen this?

[SecondRow]

The HSE removed the word "woman" from their CERVICAL screening pages
I stumbled across this tweet
twitter.com/Salwicklow/status/1305967737563422720?s=20

politely asking them to put woman back in, alongside trans men and trans women, who both get their own special mentions, but they have brushed off the woman who made the original request and are no longer replying.

Here's the HSE pages
www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/when-you-should-have-cervical-screening/who-should-have-cervical-screening.html

And here's Aoife Martin - no cervix skin in the game inviting followers to mock women for wanting the 99.9% of people who need cervical screening to be named as such by a health service that already has some serious catching up to do before women can believe it has their best interests at heart.

twitter.com/aoifemrtn/status/1306339571790159872?s=20

Just catching up... both interesting links there, thanks. JKR is one of the most famous women in the world and yet the particular group targeting her with hatred as bad as any incel's don't get a lock-in from Laura Bates. It's so dishonest isn't it?

@OnlyWomenAreWomen - I think you are being a bit too kind to the HSE. It's perfectly possible to say something like "women, and others, with a cervix" which means women with a cervix and anyone who identifies as something other than a woman who also has a cervix.

3timeslucky, the raidicailín group have a suggested template on their website. I know what you mean about the inevitable brush-off but we have to keep up the pressure. Word is getting out among health professionals now which will surely help. I've seen a doctor and couple of nurses tweeting about it.

I would say there is some hope amongst medics. My dd is studying medicine and one of her lecturers, when talking about male/female, said that in medicine sex is what is important and not gender. He mentioned intersex as a small minority but other than that, it is male/female based on sex. All the students seem to agree with him as there were no objections or calls for inclusivity.

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]@OnlyWomenAreWomen - I think you are being a bit too kind to the HSE. It's perfectly possible to say something like "women, and others, with a cervix" which means women with a cervix and anyone who identifies as something other than a woman who also has a cervix.[/quote]
But it is not who it including, it is who it is excluding. 👦🏻
But the HSE will keep giving generic response rather than acknowledge this.

@irishfeminist

I agree on the dumbing down, Annasgirl, it's depressing. Broadcasters like Tubridy, Brendan O'Connor, Joe Duffy, Irish Times writers like Kitty Holland and Una Mullally - just embarrassingly lightweight, ignorant and shallow. Even the likes of Kevin Myers and Mary Kenny whom I loved to hate were educated and well-read. I avoid most Irish media now, it makes me cringe.

Una Mullally. No words. In promoting the (so-called) progressive orthodoxy, she is unwittingly supporting and furthering an agenda that has no interest in the safety, dignity and sex based rights of women and girls. But she’s unaware of this. She probably thinks she’s a feminist. In fact she’s a toadying handmaiden, a craven approval-seeker who is confirmed in her sense of right-ness by equally feeble-minded compliant groupthinkers who consider themselves intellectuals because they attend Leviathan and Salon du Chat at Electric Picnic.

@Cupoftea1234 - oh, I know. Which is why it's important to keep coming back with inclusive solutions.

Is it too much to hope that this is such a clear-cut case that women in Una's camp will finally cop on? The word woman - are they really going to stand by and let that be taken away? Not many well-known Irish names have come out on either side of this one yet, which is strange enough in itself. It's actually not a no-brainer for the wokesters either.

@SecondRow

Good letters, thanks littlbrowndog.

I used to follow Jean Cross on twitter, she is a brave articulate woman. Haven't seen her recently.

She was banned. She’s in a (closed) Facebook Group I’m in called Women Exist.

@OnlyWomenAreWomen - if they're trying to appease anyone, it's transwomen. The wording I suggested would upset their delicate souls as it would remind them that, even though they believe they are women, they don't have a cervix, something all women are born with.

< The same organisation that let’s women die rather than admit its own mistakes? Does it really care about inclusivity?>

It is not about true inclusivity, this sort of thing is happening all over the place. Also letting women die, and removing women from the literature about their own healthcare is very consistent.

It is probably some civil servant wanting to collect brownie points, coupled with promoting their own agenda, or could be maybe it came up in the HSE transcommitte?

Name change and have been lurking on feminist board for a while. But last night I sent off my email to hse to complain about the balant disregard and erasure of women especially after the cervical check screening failures. What a disgrace.
I too do feel that it's to appease a very tiny group of people who coincidentally will never need to avail of cervical screening!

*blatant

After I began (obsessively) reading about the erasure of the female body and the changing meaning of the word 'woman' (it now sometimes means loving pink, sparkles, high heels and makeup) I noticed this odd smell in the air in almost everything I read:

There's one group which can be treated by ignoring them, despite the giant size of the group, and if they draw attention to themselves, then contempt is the general response. This doesn't come only from male-bodied people but seems to be in the air we all breathe.

That the cis-concept has also been worked so as to make women the privileged sub-group of the new identity group 'women' doesn't help, of course.

I have no idea why my comments have been deleted. Particularly the one where I wondered whether it trans men or trans women being appeased. How did that differ from anything others are saying? The Una Mullally one I admit may have been a personal attack too far. But the others?

OnlyWomenAreWomen - I have no idea why my comments have been deleted. Particularly the one where I wondered whether it trans men or trans women being appeased.*

Me neither. That post was a perfectly reasonable question. Perhaps someone has taken offence at your username and is reporting everything? Not sure why mn hq would delete though. It's not like they delete everything reported. I've reported xenophobic Anti-Irish posts in various threads that they let stand.

It is always on this topic that items are deleted - I have received my only deletions on this topic - we are not allowed to speak the truth so we have to reword it.

Actually, after the wonderful Langcleg was banned a number of us wondered should we set up our own talk forum of private members - not sure what happened but we didn't do it.

Lang went to Spinster, at least in the immediate aftermath, but I have to admit I haven't been over there myself for a while.

When the CervicalCheck site says:
If you were born without a cervix
You do not need to have cervical screening if you are a woman born without a cervix.

Is that referring to transwomen or are some women born without a cervix?

The fact that it is unclear means women are being failed in a service that is supposed to provide cervical screening for women. Do they really have such an excellent service now or is it their function to put such time and energy into anything other than the improvement of women's cervical screening. Have they diversified to also serve men? A service whose failure in clinical practice meant women died with the level of healthcare they provided.

Does the site for prostate checks the equivalent?

If you were born without a prostate
You do not need to have prostate checks if you are a man born without a prostate.

The prostate is a small gland in the pelvis that is found only in men

www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/c/cancer,-prostate/

They really need to be held to book about the disgraceful way they are gaslighting women.

Every year in Ireland about 300 people get cervical cancer. 90 women die from it.

Ok. So 90 women die from it. What about the other 'people' who get it? How many of them die from it?

In women aged 25 to 39 years, cervical cancer is the second most common cause of death due to cancer.

I wonder if it is the second most common cause of death due to cancer of those people besides women who get it?

They can't even pretend it is a 'gender' thing. It is only women who are being f*cked with.

www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/what-cervical-screening-is.html

It is just plain annoying reading the term "people" used in place of "women". It makes it sound like this is a form of cancer that we can all get. But we can't. Men don't get cervical cancer. Women do.

I've written my letter to the HSE and I just want to scrap it and write "Oh FFS. How dare you?" But in my heart of heart I don't think that will achieve anything. Though it might make me feel better, for a very brief moment.

[quote Cailleach1]Every year in Ireland about 300 people get cervical cancer. 90 women die from it.

Ok. So 90 women die from it. What about the other 'people' who get it? How many of them die from it?

In women aged 25 to 39 years, cervical cancer is the second most common cause of death due to cancer.

I wonder if it is the second most common cause of death due to cancer of those people besides women who get it?

They can't even pretend it is a 'gender' thing. It is only women who are being f*cked with.

www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/what-cervical-screening-is.html[/quote]
It is almost funny
Except it's not.