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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Irish women, have you seen this?

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SecondRow · 17/09/2020 08:23

The HSE removed the word "woman" from their CERVICAL screening pages Angry
I stumbled across this tweet
twitter.com/Salwicklow/status/1305967737563422720?s=20

politely asking them to put woman back in, alongside trans men and trans women, who both get their own special mentions, but they have brushed off the woman who made the original request and are no longer replying.

Here's the HSE pages
www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/cervical-screening/when-you-should-have-cervical-screening/who-should-have-cervical-screening.html

And here's Aoife Martin - no cervix skin in the game Hmm inviting followers to mock women for wanting the 99.9% of people who need cervical screening to be named as such by a health service that already has some serious catching up to do before women can believe it has their best interests at heart.

twitter.com/aoifemrtn/status/1306339571790159872?s=20

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purplepizzabunny · 18/09/2020 14:57

On an unrelated note, the TENI 2018 annual return was due to be filed by 30th September 2019. It's almost 12 months overdue. The CRO can apply to have a company struck off if their annual return is more than 12 months overdue. See article from Phoenix a few months back (it is a bit out of date, a new CEO has been appointed since), but no word on the audit.

"WITH THE government preparing to simplify the process for 16 and 17 year olds to change gender, there is nothing simple about funding at the lobby organisation, Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI).

The group has made quite an impact in recent years, with directors have played high-profile roles in media spats featuring the likes of John Boyne and Graham Linehan.

TENI’s main funder is the HSE, which handed over just under €300,000 in 2018. A hiccup arose, however, in relation to the 2018 accounts, with finance director Denise Breen noting in TENI’s 2019 annual ‘activity report’ published last October that, “due to circumstances beyond our control, the organisation has not been able to complete the 2018 audit in time for the AGM. Due to changes in staffing and delays in preparation of our internal accounts, the final accounts are not available to our auditors to audit.”

A curious Goldhawk asked TENI if the various issues around the audit had been addressed, if the accounts have since been audited and if the HSE was made aware of the problem. The organisation’s chair, Sara R Philips, thanked Goldhawk for his interest adding: “ We are always open to sharing the great work TENI does; in order to address your queries appropriately and assist you, could I ask for some context or the general thrust of the article you are preparing for?” However, she did not get around to providing any answers.

This was also the case with the HSE, which was asked if it had received the audited accounts for TENI and if funding had been provided in 2019 and 2020. At the time of going to press, no response to these queries was received, while TENI’s out-of-date 2018 accounts have not yet been filed in the Companies Office.

Meanwhile, there is still no chief executive in place at TENI following the departure of Stephen O’Hare last September to take over at HIV Ireland."

purplepizzabunny · 18/09/2020 15:06

One of AM's acolytes is an ICCL council member. Good god.

notyourhandmaid · 18/09/2020 16:59

I don't understand how so many people support AM. She is awful.

purplepizzabunny · 18/09/2020 18:40

Given it's been pointed out that the HSE advice on prostate cancer only refers to men (I've just had a quick look, and no where does it refer to trans women), I would have thought her interests would be better served by raising that as a problem rather than encouraging a pile on on a woman who raised very valid issues, and whom whom a TENI rep agreed. I am with you though notyourhandmaid, she has a fairly devoted following and many I would have thought smart and intelligent women.

StephanieRang · 18/09/2020 19:20

Anybody hear the slating JKR got on Matt Cooper this afternoon, shocking inaccurate stuff (start from 10:30):
www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-last-word-with-matt-cooper/van-morrison-announces-new-anti-lockdown-songs-accuses-government-enslaving-public

Annasgirl · 18/09/2020 20:04

Why on earth anyone ever listens to Matt Cooper is beyond me. I worked in the same company as him years ago - he was always promoted well beyond his capabilities.

I am always amazed at what passes for intellectualism in Ireland - he certainly wouldn't pass muster in a seriously intellectual environment.

Really, the dumbing down of Irish broadcasting since I was a child is astonishing, at least as a child and teen I could listen to Radio 1 and hear intelligent debate, but it all seems to be dumbed down now. Remember when the likes of Brian Farrell, John Bowman, Olivia O'Leary were on current affairs programmes. Even the satire was high brow (Frank Hall, Frank Kelly and Eamonn Morrissey). I know Frank H was no angel, but at least the could look at a big picture. I don't think anyone of any equivalent level of creative intellectual thought as any of the aforementioned, is employed in broadcasting in Ireland to-day.

And so we get lazy group think and everyone saying what is needed to keep their job (really has there been any development of our national character, we have replaced one "orthodoxy which cannot be challenged", with another). And the irony (lost on all of the woke) is that these people pretended to be at the vanguard of challenging the old orthodoxies, but you know they would have quite likely parroted the church line had they worked in the 1950's.

irishfeminist · 18/09/2020 22:13

I agree on the dumbing down, Annasgirl, it's depressing. Broadcasters like Tubridy, Brendan O'Connor, Joe Duffy, Irish Times writers like Kitty Holland and Una Mullally - just embarrassingly lightweight, ignorant and shallow. Even the likes of Kevin Myers and Mary Kenny whom I loved to hate were educated and well-read. I avoid most Irish media now, it makes me cringe.

Littlebearcat · 18/09/2020 22:25

I just received my reminder and booklet last week. skimmed it. Went and found it now to check / the bloody booklet for info about cervical cancer and the screening has this nonesense in it. I am livid! Will add my complaint to hse. Thanks to secondrow for highlighting this. As if they haven’t fecked it up enough already.

Cupoftea1234 · 18/09/2020 22:31

I think one of the few journalists I like would be Ian O'Doherty. He is generally not afraid to say things as he sees them. However I don't think he has written anything about this topic.

littlbrowndog · 19/09/2020 09:31

Letters to Irish times

Irish women, have you seen this?
MadamBatty · 19/09/2020 09:37

Well done those women who took the time to write those sensible, rational letters. Amid all the shrieking it is good to reason.

SecondRow · 19/09/2020 09:48

The word woman is my line in the sand. Despite thinking of myself as radicalised by Mumsnet, I have to date lurked, hovered, liked, maybe even made the occasional snarky but anonymous tweet - but today I contacted my real-life friends and family and asked them to complain to the HSE too.

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SecondRow · 19/09/2020 09:50

Good letters, thanks littlbrowndog.

I used to follow Jean Cross on twitter, she is a brave articulate woman. Haven't seen her recently.

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SecondRow · 19/09/2020 10:28

While I'm on a roll killing the thread, Hadley Freeman says it better on the subject of radicalization:

Like a lot of tragically heteronormative women, I am an innate people-pleaser, and for a long time my greatest fear, aside from being forced to go camping, was angering people. But then the latest version of gender theory took off and it turned out I had a greater fear: denying the bleeding obvious. So I started saying, ‘Hang on, are we really saying that being a woman is just a psychological concept?’ and I was shouted at by strangers online and lost some friends (not, fortunately, the one on Hampstead Heath). But here’s the weird part: I don’t care. I obviously don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to say, ‘Yes, male-born prisoners sharing cells with female ones — can’t see any problems there!’ So now I’m a woman who displeases people, which gender theorists should celebrate as overturning gender norms. And yet, strangely, they do not. Turns out I don’t understand what being a woman means after all.

From www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-oscars-self-defeating-identity-politics

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XXSex · 19/09/2020 10:30

Ive written too. Did anyone see the GSE response to it www.screeningservice.ie/news/news.php?idx=235

To try to gas light the public into believing that they are in line with WHO guidelines and the Scally report is horrific! What the WHO report actually says is below.

I have written to HSE and three ministers.

“ Health literacy interventions targeting the public should aim to improve all individuals’ ability to understand health information, which will lead to using these new skills to access and act on the necessary information. The significance of information may not be clear to the public; it may be necessary to explain to them why particular scientific, clinical and administrative information is important to their health. The public should not be expected to be experts, but instead to provide their perspectives to help inform policy.”

WiserOlder · 19/09/2020 10:39

@MadamBatty

Well done those women who took the time to write those sensible, rational letters. Amid all the shrieking it is good to reason.
Brave women, hope they're not targeted by lunatics.
WiserOlder · 19/09/2020 11:25

I just complained and I got an auto response as gaelige.

WiserOlder · 19/09/2020 11:33

@irishfeminist

I agree on the dumbing down, Annasgirl, it's depressing. Broadcasters like Tubridy, Brendan O'Connor, Joe Duffy, Irish Times writers like Kitty Holland and Una Mullally - just embarrassingly lightweight, ignorant and shallow. Even the likes of Kevin Myers and Mary Kenny whom I loved to hate were educated and well-read. I avoid most Irish media now, it makes me cringe.
True, but have time for Kitty Holland for suing John Waters. How did that pan out. Can't remember. 3/4s of what I read, I end up thinking ''have you looked in to this at all''.
thelegohooverer · 19/09/2020 11:41

@7Days

Imagine to disrespect women so much after what happened with that service
Words fail me. Thank you OP for drawing attention to this.
irishfeminist · 19/09/2020 12:04

"Wiserolder

True, but have time for Kitty Holland for suing John Waters. How did that pan out. Can't remember. 3/4s of what I read, I end up thinking ''have you looked in to this at all''."

I don't know how the suing panned out. I'm no fan of Waters (I'm aware he sued RTE too) but I'm a big fan of free speech and there's far too much defamation litigation in Ireland. It just smacks of weak arguments and "I can't do my job as a journalist effectively enough so I'm going to tell on you".

Annasgirl · 19/09/2020 15:49

Oh, Jean Cross - I want to be your best friend. Such a well written letter - I wonder if Jennifer O'Connell or Roisin Ingle will take up the issue Hmm. I don't really wonder - they won't.

SecondRow · 19/09/2020 16:30

Well Annasgirl I'm glad it's in the Irish Times because they can't pretend not to have known about it now. But let's not hold our breath eh? Hmm

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EarlofEggMcMuffin · 19/09/2020 16:42

The only thing stopping me from writing a complaint to the HSE is that the form asks for name and address.

I am self-employed in a health care related field.

If the mob comes for me, I am scared of the ramifications for my business...particularly in the peri-Covid climate. No permanent pensionable posts here.

But, this is so akin to mob mentality that my conscience is shouting at me to stand up and be counted. Ooooof.

OchonAgusOchonO · 19/09/2020 17:29

@EarlofEggMcMuffin

The only thing stopping me from writing a complaint to the HSE is that the form asks for name and address.

There is also an email address. If you wanted to ensure it's not associated with you, just set up a new Gmail account.

I used my Gmail to send it as I didn't want to fill in all the detail on the form.

GrainneMhaol · 19/09/2020 17:30

Kitty Holland has posted nonsense about "terfs" in the recent past.

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