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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The awful trend on Twitter

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imhereforthesanity · 14/09/2020 19:29

Hi, I don't post often, but I've seen the awful twitter trend today in regard to J K Rowling, I just feel so scared and defeated about women's rights, why are more people not up in arms and defending us? I also fear for her and women's safety, as some of these TRA's seem really unhinged.

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JaneAustenWouldHateThis · 15/09/2020 12:30

I read some of the tweets on that hashtag last night and they are absolutely disgusting

1 collect them all together

2 show them to decent people

3 when the decent people say flipping heck she must've done something really mean

4 show JK's recent essay (or anything else she has written) and ask well, did she deserve it?

5 no reasonable person would side with the inadequate men on this one - trust me

yourhairiswinterfire · 15/09/2020 12:30

It makes no sense. TRAs say that a cis man who puts on a dress to conduct a sexual assault is definitely not trans.

So how on earth can they frame this as transphobia.

It's like they're all reading from different scripts or something. Constantly contradicting each other.

No one is saying sex and biology isn't real. Also Sex is a social construct, it's made up. (They also love accusing us of conflating sex and gender, whilst conflating sex and gender.)

You're all obsessed with our genitals-stop reducing us to our body parts. Also ovary-havers, vulva-owners, womb-having menstruaters.

Anyone who says they're a woman, is a woman-it's bigoted to say they're not. Also Jessica Yaniv, Karen White et al aren't trans.

And they expect us to take this bullshit seriously?

caughtalightsneeze · 15/09/2020 12:30

Whilst I am horrified by the death threats against JKR, the one silver lining is that nothing thus far as actually allowed TRAs to back themselves into a corner quite so spectacularly. Either a man disguising himself as a woman is not an indication of being transgender and therefore there can be no transphobia in this story. Or a man in a dress is automatically transgender and therefore the arguments that have been thrown about for the past five years about it all being an inner feeling, is null and void. So one way or another, the glaring hypocrisy is exposed.

JaneAustenWouldHateThis · 15/09/2020 12:32

TRAs say that a cis man who puts on a dress to conduct a sexual assault is definitely not trans.

Do they also helpfully say how to spot the bad 'uns?

Nah...course not.

Malahaha · 15/09/2020 12:39

@Winesalot

Any other author, this would be nothing but with JK this is very clearly a dig.

So a book of 8-900 pages has been written at the same time as writing and paying attention to the Ickabog and been edited printed all since the time that Joanne Rowling released her essay and this all kicked off? Is that what you are saying? Because I do not think that you quite understand that this book was probably written and in with the editing team well before that. Particularly with Covid.

So, I dispute that this book has been written as a 'dig' and without reading it, it does seem like a book using a well worn subject matter.

This book would have been written and in the pipeline a year ago. It would have been edited maybe around last winter. It would have been proofread maybe early this year (this is being VERY quick; I'm not sure of course how quickly JKR's publisher works, but I know that books that have been finished by the author around now, have a publishing date in 20222.)

So yes: she is having a deliberate dig at transpeople because of 2020 June's kerfuffle. (rolls eyes)

FloralBunting · 15/09/2020 12:47

Maybe her research into the phenomena of some males wearing culturally feminine attire to enact nefarious deeds led her to the 2020 kerfuffle? I mean, heck, she wouldn't be the first person to start investigating this topic and realize "Fucking ada, this shit is even more ridiculous than I guessed!"

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 12:52

@FloralBunting

Maybe her research into the phenomena of some males wearing culturally feminine attire to enact nefarious deeds led her to the 2020 kerfuffle? I mean, heck, she wouldn't be the first person to start investigating this topic and realize "Fucking ada, this shit is even more ridiculous than I guessed!"
Totally agree with you Flora.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2020 12:53

I've seen that suggested by several people today, Floral.

She implies that it's a possibility in her original essay:

My interest in trans issues pre-dated Maya’s case by almost two years, during which I followed the debate around the concept of gender identity closely. I’ve met trans people, and read sundry books, blogs and articles by trans people, gender specialists, intersex people, psychologists, safeguarding experts, social workers and doctors, and followed the discourse online and in traditional media. On one level, my interest in this issue has been professional, because I’m writing a crime series, set in the present day, and my fictional female detective is of an age to be interested in, and affected by, these issues herself, but on another, it’s intensely personal, as I’m about to explain.

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Winesalot · 15/09/2020 12:55

Malahaha

Exactly. The publishers I worked for once had a very long lead time and it was merely updating the content each year. And this book could have also been one that was delayed for release by publishers due to covid. I have not bothered to check.

Any person saying that she whipped it up and had it published and printed since her essay (or even her tweet in 2019) indulges in magical thinking, methinks. But, I think we already knew that.

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 12:58

Any person saying that she whipped it up and had it published and printed since her essay (or even her tweet in 2019) indulges in magical thinking, methinks. But, I think we already knew that.

I’d be very bloody impressed if she could write a book within that timeframe. Grin

Kantastic · 15/09/2020 12:58

I suspect that a lot of these people are angry because they're worried she'll bring the world's attention to the existence of autogynephilia, via discussions of cross-dressing serial killers.

Of course if that's their concern they probably shouldn't have thrown a giant Twitter tantrum to bring attention to the issue, but I guess the narcissistic rage took over.

(This is neither a generalisation about any group, nor a specific accusation against any individual so it should be safe, right? Or will I get deleted just for using the word?)

Siablue · 15/09/2020 13:08

I agree that she probably became interested in this debate through researching the book. That is interesting what she said about talking to social workers. The book is dedicated to her mother in law who is a retired social worker and WEA worker (is that something to do with domestic abuse).

GrumpyGran8 · 15/09/2020 14:31

The book is dedicated to her mother in law who is a retired social worker and WEA worker (is that something to do with domestic abuse).
Workers Educational Association, I think.They're a charity providing adult education courses for disadvantaged communities.

GrolliffetheDragon · 15/09/2020 14:38

You can often spot them in a place they shouldn't be, they are the ones engaging in harmful behaviour, or attempting to do so

Point is, once upon a time if a man was seen in the ladies he wouldn't have to be engaging in harmful behaviour to be seen to be acting suspiciously. Just being in there was enough. Now we're told we should never assume someones gender, so a male appearing man, in male clothes in the ladies should never, ever be questioned - unless they are actually harming someone at which point it's a.) too late and b.) we'll probably be told it's our fault in some way.

HoxtonBonnet · 15/09/2020 14:57

Just bought the book (also loving the tv series). My nieces and nephews will be getting the Ickabod for Christmas and the in-laws will be getting the first In the Strike series.

Malahaha · 15/09/2020 15:10

It's now at Amazon Nr 2 in both Kindle and hardback. Selling like hotcakes!

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/09/2020 15:12

Well I've just got my copy. I'm going to sit down with a cup of tea and read it.
I may be gone some time Brew

Collidascope · 15/09/2020 15:15

No 1 on Audible. Twitter is another world. A mad one.

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 15:18

@Collidascope

No 1 on Audible. Twitter is another world. A mad one.
Thank you to all the lovely wokesters and TRAs for the free advertising. 🤣
Malahaha · 15/09/2020 15:19

@Collidascope

No 1 on Audible. Twitter is another world. A mad one.
Absolutely. Nobody cares what people are raving about there. In real life, not a single person I know is on Twitter. Neither of my kids, nor my son in law, nor my daughter's in-laws, nobody in my circle. Many are on FB, but not Twitter. They all have no idea about what's trending. I am only there for professional reasons, and I would leave in a heartbeat if I didn't need to show my face there. But I only check in occasionally and have not even looked at this new hashtag.

Twitter is a planet onto itself. Not real.

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 15:19

@Malahaha

It's now at Amazon Nr 2 in both Kindle and hardback. Selling like hotcakes!
I missed that. I expect it’ll be number one, by the end of the day. JKR must be laughing her ass off.
Winesalot · 15/09/2020 15:22

And of course Titania cuts to the chase!

twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1305867041337901056?s=21

I still cannot believe JK Rowling has written a novel which implies that trans people can be villains.

We in the LGBTQIA+ community are ALWAYS compassionate and loving and committed to justice, peace and basic human decency.

And then adds a choice of threats against Joanne Rowling.

Winesalot · 15/09/2020 15:23

And then adds a choice of threats against Joanne Rowling.

Sorry ‘adds a picture of threats against*

Malahaha · 15/09/2020 15:24

I do have an idea how the wokesters take Twitter so seriously, though, as if it IS real. I remember a couple decades ago, when the internet first erupted into our lives, and it first became possible to chat online in forums with virtual friends. I was in my very first o forum, I think it was actually an Amazon forum, and all got a bit obsessed; it was so new, so revolutionary! We felt as if we were at the centre of the universe, and every single person on earth were watching out inane online chats, flirtations, silly jokes, squabbles, etc. We felt very clever and unique.
I was old enough to know better, yet I was swept up in this feeling of being watched and read by the entire world. It was so heady! And then I woke up.

I think the Twitterati must feel a bit like this.

Winesalot · 15/09/2020 15:28

And another from Titiana. They are on a roll today!!

I’ve just ordered 200 copies of JK Rowling’s new book to burn them in solidarity with planetjedward.

That’ll teach her for being such a vile fascist.

twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1305875448707067905?s=21

Plus there is this.

twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1305822704466120706?s=21

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