Sanitary products for people who menstruate

[jellyandiscream]

Sorry for the daily fail link but has anyone seen this? Sanitary products for people who menstruate from Superdrug. What were they thinking?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8697841/Shoppers-ridicule-woke-Superdrug-launches-sanitary-products-people-menstruate.html

Conniethesensible

Those sorts of comments on a parenting forum are so disgusting, and extremely homophobic. There are all kinds of people here, many belong to that community, and they have as varying opinions on social issues, including them or not, as straight people do.

Rather than insult people’s parenting, you should try growing up and engaging in the actual discussion, if you’re able to.

@MillyMollyFarmer

Conniethesensible

Those sorts of comments on a parenting forum are so disgusting, and extremely homophobic. There are all kinds of people here, many belong to that community, and they have as varying opinions on social issues, including them or not, as straight people do.

Rather than insult people’s parenting, you should try growing up and engaging in the actual discussion, if you’re able to.

Sorry I tried to quote someone else but I replied to the OP post.

I was trying to reply to a person who flat out denied trans people are valid.

If my dh suddenly started bleeding out of his anus or penis I would panic.

Men do not menstruate

Trans men but buy they are still biologically women so therefore without taking hormones would indeed menstruate

Trans women will not and can never menstruate as it requires a uterus which they do not have.

Yes I could relent and “let” them have this, but it’s all about giving them an inch and they will run a mile.

If it’s suddenly people who menstruate, it becomes those with a cervix when you need a smear test. It will become those with breasts when you need a breast screen.

It will become those with ovaries for any problems with the reproduction cycle.

It cannot and should not ever be done

I was trying to reply to a person who flat out denied trans people are valid.

I didn’t see that but I also don’t even get it.. denying people are ‘valid’. What does that even mean?

For everyone’s sake I hope your kids aren’t LGBTQ+

That's ok, LGB people now what sex they are.

Most of the other letters don't deny biological reality.

Your fear is unfounded.

I don't think this is about transmen. It's about not pissing off transwomen who cant menstruate so don't want the word woman associated with a biological function of which they are incapable

Well, that's a load of speculative guff based on nothing but I can assume prejudice/hatred/ignorance/a mix of all three, take your pick.
It's being inclusive towards trans men, but hey, go ahead and ignore them and that fact if it makes you feel better/ validates your "it's all about the trans women!" narrative

Trans women will not and can never menstruate as it requires a uterus which they do not have

Nobody, anywhere on here has said they can, what are you talking about?
It's about trans "men*
Inclusive towards trans men (biologically female, yes) but still trans men.
Why do people keep bringing up trans women? It's not even about them!
Are people deliberately confusing trans women (biologically male) with trans men (biologically female) or something or just genuinely don't know the difference?!

Problem is @Quaagars it usually is all about TW.

You very rarely heard of a TM advocating for them to be in men’s spaces or other things associated with it

@Quaagars

I don't think this is about transmen. It's about not pissing off transwomen who cant menstruate so don't want the word woman associated with a biological function of which they are incapable

Well, that's a load of speculative guff based on nothing but I can assume prejudice/hatred/ignorance/a mix of all three, take your pick.
It's being inclusive towards trans men, but hey, go ahead and ignore them and that fact if it makes you feel better/ validates your "it's all about the trans women!" narrative

The problem with being inclusive towards trans men is that it is based on the implicit assumption that everyone's gender identities are detached from the sex of their bodies. Then it indeed would be weird to mention 'women' in the context of menstruation and not the other genders (men and nonbinary) which also contain people who menstruate.

But I do not believe that the vast majority of those who reckon themselves to be women actually have such a detached female gender identity. Rather, that identity (or definition of one's gender) is very much based on the fact of living in a female body and how others react to us differently because of that body rather than a male one.

When that is the case, the kind of inclusiveness towards trans men actually means that all women who use the sex-based definition of their female gender just got that definition completely invalidated by being told that the female body is now gender-neutral.

This clash of interests is real, in my opinion, and a direct consequence of the re-purposing of 'woman' rather than the creation of some new terms for abstract gender identities that people might wish to have.

Nepta you appear to be saying that woman is a gender identity not a shorthand for adult human female

I find that offensive

I don't have a gender identity that is woman, if I did I would say it was male as a youngster and one binary now. I don't buy sanitary stuff or use the ladies because of my gender, it's because of my sex that I do that

@midgebabe

Nepta you appear to be saying that woman is a gender identity not a shorthand for adult human female

I find that offensive

I don't have a gender identity that is woman, if I did I would say it was male as a youngster and one binary now. I don't buy sanitary stuff or use the ladies because of my gender, it's because of my sex that I do that

Agreed, in principle. What I was trying to get at is the idea that socially we are required to have both a biological sex and a social gender. If that is the case (maybe it is not), then my social gender is very much based on the fact that my body is female. It derives from my biological sex, but I also critique the gendered expectations I am exposed to, given that gender roles are one of the ways women have been turned into second class citizens.

I don't know if that made my points any clearer. I was trying to use as much of the gender identity language as I could, to try to explain why 'inclusiveness' isn't really inclusive in this case, but excludes many women from the way gender is now defined in woke circles altogether.

I think it's probably about both transmen and transwomen.

Framing menstruation as something that only happens to women is not inclusive of transwomen because they never menstruate because... Well they are not women! And it's not inclusive of transmen because transmen are 'men who menstruate' - except they aren't. If they were actually men, they wouldn't have periods.

So I think it's both that have a problem with that awful word 'woman' being associated with periods.

I'm not sure why we don't ever see the word 'man' erased in the same way though (except obviously we all know really).

I get you now

@LateSummerGarden

For everyone’s sake I hope your kids aren’t LGBTQ+

That's ok, LGB people now what sex they are.

Most of the other letters don't deny biological reality.

Your fear is unfounded.

Just like your fear of trans people. Maybe think for one second that trans people know who exactly they are and instead of further pushing down a minority that by merely existing doesn’t push away any rights of us.

That trans men are indeed men not women.

@Quaagars

Trans women will not and can never menstruate as it requires a uterus which they do not have

Nobody, anywhere on here has said they can, what are you talking about?
It's about trans "men*
Inclusive towards trans men (biologically female, yes) but still trans men.
Why do people keep bringing up trans women? It's not even about them!
Are people deliberately confusing trans women (biologically male) with trans men (biologically female) or something or just genuinely don't know the difference?!

Most gender critical people will do absolutely anything to blame something on trans-women. It's quite spectacular, any thread can be derailed and made to be about them 😊

As a trans person who still experiences periods, I dread the days when my supplies start running low

'I run through a million scenarios of people staring at me, questioning me, laughing behind my back. Now I can confidently walk into a Superdrug and if anyone challenged me I could point to the packet and say "look, this is made for me".

It has been said before but that really is the biggest load of nonsense. Who on earth in Superdrug, or any other chemist, is going to challenge a customer on what they are buying? At most you might be asked in case of certain over- the counter drugs , e.g migraine products, if you are the patient.

For goodness sake is this silly person unaware that many, many men buy sanitary products for their female partners or relatives? Both my son and my husband have done so.

It's not about fear.

Obfuscating language will have real life consequences.

EG cervix havers etc.

Other point- agree feminine hygiene products is awful.

Dealing with periods is not at all 'feminine'.

Final point- yes some transwoman say they have periods/ try to simulate them.

Hands up any posters who have had to buy male incontinence products. I'm sure some of you will have male partners or relatives who need them.

Did the shop staff stare at you , question you , laugh behind your back?

My make ex used to buy sanitary towels, cut them in half and use them in his boxers for his prostate drippage.

He's not a "person who menstruates", so now he can't buy them......

I object to the falseness of the support for the transmen and non-binary females.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of transmen and non-binary are teenage females who will later desist.

Let's say Superdrug really wanted to help females who are uncomfortable buying period products.

The transmans in the article reminds me of the mortification I felt as a young teenager if I had to buy sanitary towels myself in the shop and "everybody" would know I was on my period or had periods sometimes (nobody else gave a hoot of course, it was all in my mind). I am sure I was not the only teenager to feel this way.

The writing on the package doesn't help really with any of that does it? It is an empty gesture.

If they really wanted to hell they would make boxes of tampons look less obviously like a box of tampons. Or they would have some of them in another aisle or dotted around, like they do with products they want to push, so the awkward female person does not have to browse the feminine products aisle.

Superdrug are showing fake support for trans people imo.

Girls menstruate too, I was 11 when I had my first period and I was nowhere near old enough to be called a woman. Some even start at 9 or 10. But yes, only female people menstruate.
And I agree "feminine hygiene" isn't a good term for it. There are lots of very feminine men, and very butch, neutral or masculine women (like me!), we shouldn't be assigning gender norms to what's a sexed biological process. Really we shouldn't be putting gender norms on anything at all, they're a regressive sexist and homophobic concept. How they got elevated to be even more important than biological reality and then embraced by people calling themselves progressive is beyond me. It makes me wonder if they were ever really all that accepting of women, LGB people and transsexuals and neurodiverse and disabled people in the first place if they were so willing to throw us all under the bus and celebrate 1950s Western gender stereotypes all over again.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of transmen and non-binary are teenage females who will later desist

How would you know? Do you have any links to back that up?
Yes, I'm sure some do later desist, but that's a big assumption and jump to say the vast majority of trans men are teenagers.

If they really wanted to hell they would make boxes of tampons look less obviously like a box of tampons

Like make them look like a box of chocolates, or a pair of shoes?
That'll just make even MORE confusion lol

@TorkTorkBam

I object to the falseness of the support for the transmen and non-binary females.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of transmen and non-binary are teenage females who will later desist.

Let's say Superdrug really wanted to help females who are uncomfortable buying period products.

The transmans in the article reminds me of the mortification I felt as a young teenager if I had to buy sanitary towels myself in the shop and "everybody" would know I was on my period or had periods sometimes (nobody else gave a hoot of course, it was all in my mind). I am sure I was not the only teenager to feel this way.

The writing on the package doesn't help really with any of that does it? It is an empty gesture.

If they really wanted to hell they would make boxes of tampons look less obviously like a box of tampons. Or they would have some of them in another aisle or dotted around, like they do with products they want to push, so the awkward female person does not have to browse the feminine products aisle.

Superdrug are showing fake support for trans people imo.

There's a lot of this virtue signalling about at the moment. It's an easy win for corporations that otherwise couldn't care less about their customers or marginalised people. The best example of that I've seen lately was Coca-Cola using a singular "they" about someone in an advert and getting a load of fawning praise for it on Twitter, until someone pointed out their practices of employing hitmen to kill trade union leaders at their bottling plants in Colombia, for being the single biggest plastic packaging polluter in the world, for depleting groundwater, and for donating to far-right political parties. All this gender stuff doesn't cost them anything to do and allows companies to carry on doing the same dangerous, abusive practices they've always done but pretend to be progressive. It's just marketing.

If anyone truly believes that the erasure of women is to be inclusive to TM and not to appease sick men who hate women, many of whom push this ideology, then I have swampland in Arizona to sell you.