Stonewall Lobby World Rugby

[SunsetBeetch]

Ffs I am so sick of this agenda-heavy lobby group and their war against women's rights!

(Note that they are controlling who can reply to them too.)

“We are asking rugby clubs at all levels of the game to stand with us against a ruling that is exclusionary and that will impact some of the most vulnerable people in the community”.

Join us and
@LgbtiqS
in calling
@WorldRugby
to #TackleTransphobia lgbtiqsportalliance.org.uk/uk-lgbtiq-sport

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1296801438211944455?s=20

if I didnt have to be secret on twitter id RT that in reply to Nancy's "you're all so meeean to not let TW play rugby with women" post for Stonewall

We used to play bull rush, mixed, when I was a kid in NZ, they banned it because it was too much like that video!

Maybe TW who want to be elite athletes should be encouraged to show some mental toughness, agility, resilience by competing alongside people of their own sex?

Women can compete in the 'mens' boat race, as there have been a few female 'coxes' over the years. The 'mens' is really an 'open' category, it is just that for some reason, can't think why, women don't get selected as rowers.

@MillyMollyFarmer

We used to play bull rush, mixed, when I was a kid in NZ, they banned it because it was too much like that video!

Bull rush sounds like the game we used to play called Red Rover. It too was a free for all but we only played it at primary school.

Looking up the wiki definition of red rover, I think we were playing bull rush and misnamed it🤦‍♀️

Oh it was informal, not a ‘proper game’ but one played at lunchtime, no ball involved, and while I pretended to like it, it was brutal and dangerous. I dreaded my brother getting me because he was massive.

That quote from Naima Reddick is wishful thinking.

No, it's not. It's lying. She knows perfectly well that a female rugby player doesn't stand a faintest chance playing against men. Every single person in the world who isn't a halfwit knows that.

The academics who signed that letter are absolutely vile but there is a special place in hell for women like Naima Reddick who are prepared to sell other women down the river.

Indeed corgi

she hasn’t played competitive rugby against men, she’s just trained with them. That is a whole different thing!!

Many sports especially the more minority ones which rugby is in America have their international squads at training camps together. Training alongside a bloke for say a sprint drill or agility test is worlds away from playing one in a competitive match

God does the stupidity never end????

Thanks @Deltoids1 that's the one I meant.

Still makes me shudder to watch.

What on Earth is the bit in the grauniad article on the letter saying “non binary assumed male at birth” people are being unfairly excluded from women’s rugby ? I mean, where to start with that??

Maybe, in the interests of research the female rugby players who are for tw inclusion could organise a ‘friendly‘ with a tw side just to check if their theories work in real life?

Some interesting comments from Ross Tucker again on Twitter, with one woman taking him yo task a bit for comparing the vitriol on both sides.

This comment from him I thought worth copying here:

One thing of interest - forces in scrums at the COMMUNITY level in men’s rugby are 40% higher than forces in ELITE women’s rugby. Mass, inertia and strength difference means that even club males produce much higher forces than elite women. Elite male is 110% higher than elite W
1:08 pm · 2 Sep 2020
Ross Tucker

I hope I’ve linked to the right thread here but this should be Tucker replying to a tweet which is saying there are big size differences in the women’s teams ( true ) in different countries, this is a good response:

mobile.twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/1301121324245549057

Tucker has hinted occasionally that he has 'more to say' but will wait until World Rugby publish their decision. I think it's about the process or experience of the summit. I wonder what that will be. He does seem to be getting increasingly fed up with people's shit.

He said something about the IOC being helpful as an example of how to do it differently and RIGHT. So that was interesting.

@SophocIestheFox

What on Earth is the bit in the grauniad article on the letter saying “non binary assumed male at birth” people are being unfairly excluded from women’s rugby ? I mean, where to start with that??

I know the guardian - as implicit in the common nickname you used - has always been renowned for poor spelling and proofreading, but it seems they've surpassed themselves there. They appear to have used about 25 letters to spell a three letter word.

The non binary “assumed” male at birth exclusion thing is astonishing. Non binary males are just men with a fashionable personality. Is this going to be the next thing ? Non binary males wanting admittance to female spaces?

I know the guardian - as implicit in the common nickname you used - has always been renowned for poor spelling and proofreading, but it seems they've surpassed themselves there. They appear to have used about 25 letters to spell a three letter word.

The article is quoting from a letter. You can't blame the paper for accurately quoting the words written in the letter. Blame the people who wrote it.

Sean Ingle, the journalist who wrote this piece, has consistently written good articles on the issue of trans women in women's sport.

Christ on a bike, Deltoids. That clip is awful

It's not nice viewing

Is there any context to that clip, it seems like a remarkably stupid exercise to set up. When I was playing it was non uncommon for the women's and men's squads to do mixed fitness and conditioning work, ball skills etc before splitting up for contact work. If a coach suggested that exercise he should be ashamed. We used to have the odd woman new to the club who reckoned they could train full contact with the men, for safety reasons the coaches said no way.

@RoyalCorgi

I know the guardian - as implicit in the common nickname you used - has always been renowned for poor spelling and proofreading, but it seems they've surpassed themselves there. They appear to have used about 25 letters to spell a three letter word.

The article is quoting from a letter. You can't blame the paper for accurately quoting the words written in the letter. Blame the people who wrote it.

Sean Ingle, the journalist who wrote this piece, has consistently written good articles on the issue of trans women in women's sport.

My mistake... a correspondent who's learned their spelling from it maybe?

I’ve realised that it’s great that “non binary people assumed male at birth” have been included in the population of people that this is apparently unfair to. I think it’s fantastically helpful of these anonymous academics to come straight out and say “we want any and all male bodies welcomed into women’s sports” like that.

Because the moment that any right thinking person decodes what is being asked for, which is for males who feel they are neither male nor female, but who generally do not modify their male bodies at all to be in women’s locker rooms, and scrumming down with women, the response is going to be “uh, no”. They’ve done the heavy lifting for us there.

Why in heavens name would a non binary male bodied person not be perfectly safe and happy in the men’s team as much as the women’s? (The answer is homophobia in the men’s team, but that’s a far gnarlier question to resolve, and would involve men Being Nice and Kind, which is a much bigger ask, apparently).

I realized that last night too Sophocles.

Did they inadvertently show us their next phase of the plan? That non-binary males ‘need’ to be included as well.

Why on earth should a non hormonally transitioned male participate in female sports at all under the guise of non-binary? It shows the letter writer’s hands to be either completely misunderstanding the supposed reasons that their community are pushing for transgender inclusion at all or it proves that they don’t understand the science. Or they simply don’t care - about women or the science.

We're back to men and non-men, aren't we? Anyone who is not a real manly man comes under the non-men umbrella. What would make more sense is having women and non-women categories. So trans people (both sexes) and non binaries (both sexes) could all play in the men's or open category.

The Guardian, as ever, inadvertently bringing sunlight to this s*itshow.

As other posters stated - that clip - awful - needs to trend on Twatter.