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Joe Biden's plans for LGBT+

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SunsetBeetch · 19/08/2020 10:32

Whilst there are lots of good thing in here (the reversing of the ban on trans people in the military, for example), there is also this:

"Guaranteeing transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity. On his first day in office, Biden will reinstate the Obama-Biden guidance revoked by the Trump-Pence Administration, which will restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity. He will direct his Department of Education to vigorously enforce and investigate violations of transgender students’ civil rights."

How he squares this with his pledges regarding women's rights, I do not know. I could scream!

joebiden.com/lgbtq-policy/

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DianasLasso · 19/08/2020 18:17

Apologies if I've already posted this:

The Democrats need to be careful how they play this. The slightest whiff of being out-of-touch elitists who think they're better than the people whose votes they're relying on, and they'll lose it, again. Hillary's "basket of deplorables" soundbite was one of the turning points last time round - far more damaging that server leaks, using her own email, etc. IMO. (Yes I know she actually said along the lines of "among the Republican voters heading that way out of genuine economic concerns, there's also a group we might call 'basket of deplorables" - she did qualify it. But she should have been a shrewd enough politician to realise the only bit people were going to hear and remember was the 'basket of deplorables' comment.)

highame · 19/08/2020 18:18

@LaurieFairyCake

Why are people saying the Democrats are ahead in the polls Confused

Trump is going to win easily unfortunately (I really wish not Sad)

All the polling we're seeing here says Biden ahead by about 15 points, is that not correct?
DianasLasso · 19/08/2020 18:22

Latest FT poll tracker looks fairly solid for the Democrats:
ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

But there's a long way to go - 2 and a half months is an eternity in US politics. Server hacks, smear campaigns, something stupid said in a stump speech.

I hope the Democrats win, but I wouldn't be taking anything for granted.

DianasLasso · 19/08/2020 18:28

The crucial numbers are not the 15% gap nationally, but the percentage gaps in the swing states. The FT's electoral college model has Biden winning by 28, I think. Florida on its own has 29 votes: the polls by state show more like a 7% lead for the Democrats there. So as usual, it's going to come down to the swing states.

highame · 19/08/2020 18:49

I think the turmoil over the past few years puts us all in a very uncertain place.

I do blame liberal democracies for not recognising the need for ordinary voters to be listened to. The idea that the liberal ideal was the one and only has made it so difficult and once cracks appear in a fortress it's easier to try and knock it down.

There is also the spoilt political child syndrome I noticed after Trump, Brexit, Tory win, each time the hard left became more petulant and more entrenched. I'm not saying that didn't happen in other areas, but being of the left, it took me aback. Losing is not what we expected. People like me have put democracy first and accepted the losses however, all sorts of monsters seem to be poking out of the Hydra.

Too many things in one post hey ho

merrymouse · 19/08/2020 19:30

Voting for Trump because Kamala has pronouns on her twitter bio is a bit like being a religious dissenter under Elizabeth I, and celebrating the fact that you are being burnt at the stake because at least somebody has recognised your religion.

The fact that Trump and Pence are prepared to agree that sex exists does not in anyway imply that they care about women's rights.

BelleHathor · 19/08/2020 20:09

@LaurieFairyCake

Why are people saying the Democrats are ahead in the polls Confused

Trump is going to win easily unfortunately (I really wish not Sad)

This right here. The polls are wrong again, for a number of reasons
  1. Some pollsters are oversampling Democrats and independents and undersampling Republicans. Always check the % of the sampling and also whether "likely voters" were polled as it skews the results. I follow Rasmussen Reports on twitter as they were the most accurate in 2016 mobile.twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll . (Blah Blah "Rasmussen is right wing, biased etc". I want to be informed and don't care about tribes.)
  2. Trump has a large amount of secret voters , just like shy Tories here. The pollsters find it difficult to reach these voters and if they do manage to reach them many do not partake due to the fear of being doxxed/cancel culture.
  3. The MSM is in the same confirmation biased bubble as they were in 2016. Repeatedly reporting "Orange Man Bad" will not engage voters that need to be won back in the rust belt states.
  4. BLM Protests/Riots & Defund the police does not resonate with the majority of the electorate. A lot of people are scared reflected in a huge rise in gun sales. www.forbes.com/sites/aaronsmith/2020/08/03/coronavirus-continues-to-fuel-surge-in-gun-sales/#6de87f5c69e0 .
I always recommend Tim Pool on Twitter/YouTube to get a good picture of what is really happening, so that November won't be a shock. 3 good videos he did recently on the journalism bubble, Trump winning in swing states registrations and a Liberal explaining why they are voting for Trump. m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sWcSxVjXcY m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Xbg_63qjk m.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Ap1dCt4HU
TBHno · 19/08/2020 20:41

Isn't Biden the clown who said that black people weren't black unless they voted for him? Confused

Freespeecher · 19/08/2020 22:36

I think it's just that Biden is one of those corporate / moderate Dems who are looking for a policy that garners kudos amongst the Woke without entailing a raise in taxes.

Bit of a tin ear as it involves pissing off half the electorate but there we are.

It doesn't mean they'll automatically vote Trump, but I suspect Biden will have problems getting the vote out. Can't imagine people leaping out of bed to vote for Sleepy Joe whereas at least a proportion of Trump's voter base are super-energised to vote for him.

BlackWaveComing · 19/08/2020 22:42

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Freespeecher · 19/08/2020 22:49

There's also the fact that some voters focus on the Supreme Court rather than the candidates themselves. RBG being on her last legs may focus some minds and keep them voting Biden.

BlackWaveComing · 19/08/2020 22:54

I can't say I'd blame them.

BlackWaveComing · 19/08/2020 22:57

Women will lose out in some ways, either way.

If it were me having to vote, I'd vote for who had the best policies on housing or environment. Yes, it's shit, but it is what it is.

I don't think Trump will win. Suburban white women are fired up. I've watched them shift over the past four years. Lots of them have Trump voting husbands who have moderated their political views also.

I do have to say, I think every single white BLM activist who spends more time out on the streets, and less time volunteering to help get out the vote, is a posturing ninny. Presumably some do both.

Kantastic · 19/08/2020 23:31

I don't think Trump will win

I hope you're right. With my head. Saving the environment is the most important thing and it's unclear whether either candidate will or even wants to avert Gilead.

I am a bit concerned that the potential anti-woke backlash is bigger than people think. What's going on in Portland seems nightmarish and terrifying, and it's not being well covered by US media - that makes it a time bomb that could be detonated by the Republican campaign at any point. The trans issue is another potential time bomb if people wake up to the scale of it, or if they are suddenly made aware of the scale of it.

Plus we can assume Putin wants Trump to win and I suspect their manipulation tactics have only got more sophisticated since 2016. And it seems that increasingly people are willing to believe anything at all, more and more people are entirely switching their critical thinking off and are ripe targets for manipulation.

Goosefoot · 19/08/2020 23:33

My gut feeling is Biden will win. Trump was always marginal and there is a group of people who voted for him reluctantly were seriously horrified by some of his actions. While I can't see anyone who voted for HC not voting for Biden, who is the same but less overtly so.

Though I do think BLM might send some votes to Trump with the business about defunding the police. And not just from the well off.

In some ways I feel like more terms of corporate Democrats will just result in another Trump, but potentially a lot worse.

highame · 20/08/2020 08:31

Just thought you might like a read of this Times Article today. Nothing much that hasn't already been said but the comments are interesting
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/democrats-put-women-and-racial-diversity-at-the-heart-of-their-pitch-bszd0gxgf

highame · 20/08/2020 08:32

Should have said Times UK

JohnRokesmith · 20/08/2020 08:58

I am a bit concerned that the potential anti-woke backlash is bigger than people think. What's going on in Portland seems nightmarish and terrifying, and it's not being well covered by US media - that makes it a time bomb that could be detonated by the Republican campaign at any point. The trans issue is another potential time bomb if people wake up to the scale of it, or if they are suddenly made aware of the scale of it.

Another issue which has been under-reported is the significant increase in the murder rate, up by 23% as of early August. Urban America is looking incredibly dystopian right now, and I suspect that Trump is allowing this to happen, on the basis that it might encourage people to vote Republican.

merrymouse · 20/08/2020 09:46

When US politicians talk about 'centering women' you have to remember that America hasn't even reached the point where concepts like maternity pay and reproductive rights are generally accepted.

I think 'two countries separated by a common language' is very relevant when talking about UK and US feminism.

Goosefoot · 20/08/2020 15:36

@JohnRokesmith

I am a bit concerned that the potential anti-woke backlash is bigger than people think. What's going on in Portland seems nightmarish and terrifying, and it's not being well covered by US media - that makes it a time bomb that could be detonated by the Republican campaign at any point. The trans issue is another potential time bomb if people wake up to the scale of it, or if they are suddenly made aware of the scale of it.

Another issue which has been under-reported is the significant increase in the murder rate, up by 23% as of early August. Urban America is looking incredibly dystopian right now, and I suspect that Trump is allowing this to happen, on the basis that it might encourage people to vote Republican.

I don't know. In most cases the presidency has no role in that sort of thing. Where he has talked about sending people into these cities, the progressives have flipped their lids.

Whether he does the right thing, or nothing, or anything, what passes for the left in the US is making such a hash of it and are framing it in such a way that they are practically pushing votes in his direction.

KayakingOnDown · 20/08/2020 17:21

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

How out of touch must he be to think this will resonate with the voters he needs to win back from Trump?
This!
KayakingOnDown · 20/08/2020 17:24

Yes, the working classes are being ignored by the Democrats.

Delphinium20 · 20/08/2020 18:08

@merrymouse

When US politicians talk about 'centering women' you have to remember that America hasn't even reached the point where concepts like maternity pay and reproductive rights are generally accepted.

I think 'two countries separated by a common language' is very relevant when talking about UK and US feminism.

Yes! I'm in the US and we do not have maternity pay, only 5 weeks guaranteed time off (no pay). We do not have reproductive freedom on all states and female reproductive health care is lacking. We have a high mother mortality rate especially for women of color.

While many professionals have jobs that allow you to negotiate more time off and pay, this is rare in blue collar jobs. Not to mention, we don't have affordable, universal health care coverage.

Women are behind and vey unequal in the US. Also, gun deaths of women are far higher here. So, while domestic violence rates are similar, the lethality is greater here because gun attacks kill more often than other violent attacks.

HelloToMyKitty · 20/08/2020 21:48

Whilst there are lots of good thing in here (the reversing of the ban on trans people in the military, for example)

As explained, this isn’t something straightforward. Medical and mental health conditions can get you rejected, which is fair enough. Military isn’t the place for inclusivity, it needs to exclude those unfit for service.

Guaranteeing transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity. On his first day in office, Biden will reinstate the Obama-Biden guidance revoked by the Trump-Pence Administration, which will restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity. He will direct his Department of Education to vigorously enforce and investigate violations of transgender students’ civil rights

Awful. The Dems don’t get how this plays among the voting base. Only the wokest of woke support these things.

Own goal if Trump pounces on it

Freespeecher · 20/08/2020 22:22

'Who else are you going to vote for? That guy? Really?' seems to be the main message of the Biden camp (echoes of Peter Mandelson's "they'll vote for us as they have nowhere else to go" from a few years back).

May well work but inspiring it is not.