Before the tweets are deleted...

[twoHopes]

Hi everyone, I've been trying to screenshot all of the celeb Mermaids endorsements before they are deleted but I'm sure there are some I've missed so I was wondering if you could help me out.

Here are the list of celebs and organisations I've screenshotted (I've got a lot more than this but I'm excluding the minor/random celebs and organisations):

Emma Watson
Munroe Bergdorf
Liberty
Princes Trust
Dr Rang Singh
Jade Thirlwall (Little Mix)
Lorraine Kelly
Aon
Barclays
DMW Group
John Barrowman
Jameela Jamil
Duncan James
Sam Smith
Owen Jones
Starbucks (hard for them to delete that one!)
Channel 4
Canadian High Commission

Have I missed any obvious big names? I don't seem to have Josie Long saved anywhere

Forgive me for the lack of knowledge on this subject but it came up in active.

Is there a reason these people would all of a sudden start deleting their tweets?

Why would they do that? I can't fathom what's going on all of a sudden

@idontneedhelpyoudo

Forgive me for the lack of knowledge on this subject but it came up in active.

Is there a reason these people would all of a sudden start deleting their tweets?

Why would they do that? I can't fathom what's going on all of a sudden

General comment (don’t smite me MNHQ) but when orgs and celebs start furiously back pedalling/deleting a paper trail it’s often because they’ve heard whispers of a pending arrest/court case/massive expose in one of the Sunday papers.

Whether that’s the case here we will have to wait and see.

No one knows really. Stonewall looked like they were backing away but doubles down with a tweet today (but the supporters were rather lacklustre).

I would assume - getting dropped from bbc and NSPCC (?) was a flag for some people. Especially if they have PR teams telling them what to think. Plus the hooha with them rewriting that A level law case study - very sinister. And the stories like Kiera (last day of digging guys, almost there) coming out. Or maybe people have actually stepped back and looked at what they say and through ‘hang on, I liked trucks as a child... so that means...? Eh?’

@AnotherLass

"From what I've read away from all the hysteria, kids know what gender they are from a young age"

What you've read does not include any actual scientific research then.

Every single study ever done (there were about 10) showed that 85% of dysphoric kids desisted by adulthood in the days before they were "affirmed". Clinicians said that it was impossible to predict which child would desist. And now there are has been a rise of many thousands of percent in kids presenting with dysphoria, with loads suddenly realising it as teenagers.

But "kids know what gender they are from a young age". Right.

ok well let's agree to disagree then. Here's what I read if you care. Study linked.

www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/12/29/study-transgender-children-recognize-their-authentic-gender-at-early-age-just-like-other-kids/#65c780bf526b

Funny how the kids there (just has a quick look) were all pals with religious parents who would accept a trans child but never a gay one.

Dawn Ennis is not a credible journalist on this topic.

In case that looks unfair on Ennis, here's some remarkable background:

nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/08/transgender-don-ennis-has-second-thoughts.html

Dawn Ennis

Is it dawn who transitioned then detransitioned then transitioned again? And blamed some of it on dawn's wife, dawn's mothee and/or amnesia. I don't think dawn is a reputable authority on an innate sense if gender

This website collates multiple studies on gender dysphoria children and adolescents.
Dawn Ennis is (not very successful nowadays) sports broadcaster. Why would you think one study, selected by a sports journalist, is the one study that is definitive, when the vast majority suggest that many children with a cross sex identity will simply desist if left to their own devices?

www.genderhq.org/trans-youth-topics-index

Dawn Ennis who led the recent (attempted) witch hunt against female athletes who signed a letter in support of women's sports? And had Dawn's arse royally handed to Dawn?

THAT Dawn Ennis?

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*Is there a reason these people would all of a sudden start deleting their tweets?

Why would they do that? I can't fathom what's going on all of a sudden*

As far as I can tell they aren't

I think this is a total storm in a teacup. The timeline as far as I can tell is that a poster called gardenbird48 posted this thread on Monday evening:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3992200-Jameela-and-Josie-backing-away

The following morning I saw several Tweets of people 'celebrities deleting their Mermaids tweets', and people like Julie Bindel asking who they were. The rumour's spread to the point that this morning 'Mermaids' was trending on Twitter and everyone seems to have accepted that it's happening, but I've seen no proof that it is. It turns out (as per a post in the above thread) Jameela Jamil deleted all her Tweets up to 2020 last month, on July 4th. I haven't seen any evidence either way with regards to Josie Long, so she might have reconsidered her endorsement, but she's a total nobody, so I think this has caught on with no basis.

As I said in the other thread, if it's raising renewed interest in the Beeb and NHS withdrawing their support then all for the better, and discussion is always good, but I think this 'celebrities deleting their Tweets - OOOH, what's going on?!' is a self-propogating fiction.

That should say, several people mentioning 'celebrities deleting their Mermaids tweets'.

Edward Lord is part of 'The Leathersellers' which proudly donates money to Mermaids and then tweets about it.

This organisation has strong links in the City of London. There are numerous threads about Lord's antics.

Here is a summary of the scientific paper from the Dawn Ennis piece (reference below).
tl;dr It does not explore nor provide evidence that 'kids know what gender they are from an early age'.

It is a study of 317 children aged 3-12 years identifying and living as a gender different from their sex, compared to a sibling group (n=189) and a second control group (n=316).

They ran some tests on the children, and asked the parents to fill in a questionnaire at a single point in time ie a cross sectional study.

They explored

1. how strongly each participant identified with measures of gender, including preferences for toys, outfits etc,
2. compared this across the 3 groups
3. looked for consistency across the difference preferences asked about
4. explored if there was a link between how long a child had socially transitioned, and how strong their gender preferences were

It does not explore whether 'kids know what gender they are from an early age'. It does comment that children know about sex stereotypes at an early age and supports this with a reference to another study.
'early development appears to be the time when, for example, children learn which toys or clothing or activities are stereotyped as masculine or feminine in their culture (62); the children in our study seem to have learned this information by ages 3 and 4, as even our youngest transgender participants showed clearly gendered preferences'.

I do not know how many 3 and 4 year olds were included in the study, because I cannot see in the paper, nor the supplementary appendix, a breakdown of the participants by age. We are told that the mean age was 7.62 years old, with a SD= 2.37. This is not evidence.

The discussion acknowledges
'Of course, this study is cross-sectional and captures a specific moment in participants’ gender development and our broader culture; these findings do not speak to children’s future identities or preferences.'

Similarity in transgender and cisgender children’s gender development
Selin Gülgöz, Jessica J. Glazier, Elizabeth A. Enright, Daniel J. Alonso, Lily J. Durwood, Anne A. Fast, Riley Lowe, Chonghui Ji, Jeffrey Heer, Carol Lynn Martin, Kristina R. Olson
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Dec 2019, 116 (49) 24480-24485; DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1909367116

UKIE which is the trade body for the UK's games industry did a mermaids fundraiser just this week (£1k, so not exactly rolling into it). twitter.com/uk_ie/status/1291497053445554177?s=21

@QuimReaper

*Is there a reason these people would all of a sudden start deleting their tweets?

Why would they do that? I can't fathom what's going on all of a sudden*

As far as I can tell they aren't

I think this is a total storm in a teacup. The timeline as far as I can tell is that a poster called gardenbird48 posted this thread on Monday evening:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3992200-Jameela-and-Josie-backing-away

The following morning I saw several Tweets of people 'celebrities deleting their Mermaids tweets', and people like Julie Bindel asking who they were. The rumour's spread to the point that this morning 'Mermaids' was trending on Twitter and everyone seems to have accepted that it's happening, but I've seen no proof that it is. It turns out (as per a post in the above thread) Jameela Jamil deleted all her Tweets up to 2020 last month, on July 4th. I haven't seen any evidence either way with regards to Josie Long, so she might have reconsidered her endorsement, but she's a total nobody, so I think this has caught on with no basis.

As I said in the other thread, if it's raising renewed interest in the Beeb and NHS withdrawing their support then all for the better, and discussion is always good, but I think this 'celebrities deleting their Tweets - OOOH, what's going on?!' is a self-propogating fiction.

as I mentioned earlier on the other thread that you commented on reaper, I came across some tweets by chance that were reporting on JJ, JL etc as well as the other organisations who are distancing themselves.
Before posting on here I checked it out and as far as I could see JJ had the full complement of tweets (some 30k?) but had removed her Mermaids and things like the 'close mouth, open purse' tweet to JKR. It wasn't until the next day, possibly later that she then apparently deleted a lot more tweets and tweeted about it. If there is something going on I'd be surprised if it all happened at the same time but it doesn't look like nothing, regardless of how many times they say that. So I am just the messenger!

It must be quite a manual job for her (assistant).

Great post sultanasofa

When this is over, I want the government organisations, charities, trade unions, police, public bodies and professionals who supported Mermaids held to account. They supported affirmation only and the medicalisation of healthy children. It's a scandal.

I have sympathy for individual bandwagon jumpers. Lumping the T in with LGB means that many people don't notice that they are entirely separate things.