Kamala Harris

[Xanthangum]

... has been selected as Joe Biden's running mate.

Important for all sorts of reasons I feel

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1293281838337871875?s=20

[xxyzz]

Floisme - What are you waiting for???

I'm waiting for you to tell me your solutions.

Which appear to amount to 'Vote Trump'.

[BovaryX]

xxyzz
I suggest you have a flawed understanding of democracy. It means your team sometimes loses. If it happens in every election on both sides of the Atlantic for the last five years? Maybe it's time to look at left wing failures, contempt for voters and political arrogance. You know. Instead of labelling everyone who isn't hard left 'far right.' It's becoming another meaningless phrase.

[Floisme]

You accused me of astroturfing and you are still making sly digs about my posting in bad faith. I imagine I could report your comments but I prefer them to stay up for everyone to see.

I have no intention of saying anything further to you until you apologise.

Or report me. Up to you.

[xxyzz]

BovaryX - you do know that Biden and Harris have been chosen, yes? That there are only a few months until US voters will have to choose to vote either for them, or for Trump/Pence?

I don't disagree with you that the Dems have made errors in the past or been too focussed on identity politics.

BUT there is no Option B, to replace Biden and Harris with alternatives who are less enamoured of identity politics. Not this time.

So either you do everything you can to get them elected as they are, and work to shift the focus - within the US, if you live there, or globally, if you don't - to reduce the influence of identity politics on the left.

Or you advocate voting for Trump.

You appear to advocate voting for Trump.

Mr pussy-grabber himself. There is no way that that is consistent with claiming to be a feminist.

Why are you posting on this board, again?

[xxyzz]

Floisme - you're sulking?!

Bless.

Well, I guess we won't be hearing from you for some time then.

[merrymouse]

Yes. And former Dem voters are openly saying on Twitter that this violent disorder and its apologists are like a campaign advert for Trump....

Trump has been the president for 4 years, and it is unlikely that he will do anything in the next 4 years to reduce violence or improve safety anywhere. He fundamentally doesn't care and wouldn't know how.

Regardless of whether any of us are bots/astroturfers/conspiracy theorists (and I can vouch for Floisme and BovaryX being genuine regular posters posting in good faith), we are all just anonymous posters shooting the shit on mumsnet.

Meanwhile the actual President of the United States is endorsing Q Anon.

The Democrats are not perfect - no political party has ever been perfect and no government will ever have all the answers. However, at the moment 'not perfect' is better than 'definitely a self seeking criminal'.

[merrymouse]

If it happens in every election on both sides of the Atlantic for the last five years?

Biden is not Corbyn and politics in the US are not directly comparable to politics in the UK, even if both countries do speak English.

[ListeningQuietly]

However, at the moment 'not perfect' is better than 'definitely a self seeking criminal'.
Hear Hear

[merrymouse]

'Spiked' interest in the conflict between women's rights and trans rights begins and ends with 'owing the libs'.

[BelleHathor]

@BovaryX

that previously anti gun advocates are buying guns because they are so scared

Yes. And former Dem voters are openly saying on Twitter that this violent disorder and its apologists are like a campaign advert for Trump....

Bovary don't you know there is no such thing as a former Dem 😉, everyone who disagrees is an "astroturfer/Russian bot/Rethuglican".
They won't be watching the daily briefings from the Whitehouse. Nor did 4 million of them watch Trumps last rally on YouTube. They are not desperate for a 2nd stimulus check and unemployment benefits. They won't have seen Trump 4 executive orders to try and get money into their pockets as Nancy Pelosi tried to get unrelated items into the stimulus bill. 🤔
Trump doesn't even need to try, it's Dem cities being destroyed by the Dem aligned Antifa scaring the normally Dem voting cities. People arr fleeing even Cuomo recognises it, New York has lost many tax paying billionaires www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/new-yorks-wealthy-taxpayers-return-cuomo.

[merrymouse]

They won't be watching the daily briefings from the Whitehouse.

Most people have seen the daily public briefings from the Whitehouse. That is why they are so concerned about a second Trump term.

[ListeningQuietly]

Ah yes, Fox news.

New York City has lost people - but that is De Blasio's problem.
he really is doing a crap job
They are staying in New York State so Cuomo is OK
and the cap on deductibles was brought in by Trump to punish Blue States

[xxyzz]

Ah, BelleHathor, another poster criticising the Dems.

But strangely missing in criticism of Trump.

Look, if you want to advocate voting for Mr pussy-grabber, do so, but don't pretend you are any kind of feminist.

Women who care about abortion rights and healthcare and above all who care about the continuance of democracy in the US, will not and cannot vote anything other than Democrat.

That's the reality.

What you are doing is attempting to ensure Trump wins by the back door, by putting off potential Dem voters. Don't think it's not really, really obvious.

[BovaryX]

it's Dem cities being destroyed by the Dem aligned Antifa scaring the normally Dem voting cities. People arr fleeing even Cuomo recognises it, New York has lost many tax paying billionaires

Yes. I think an exodus from cities is on the cards, I think this will happen in the UK too. There is a confluence of headwinds which will cause this. But what is happening in Dem controlled cities is shocking. Recent scenes from Portland just unbelievable. One thing if which I am sure, voter turnout in November will be at an all time high. It looks like 1968.

[BovaryX]

xxyzz
You don't get to control what other posters write. You don't get to control how people who don't share your left wing cliches vote. You have a political opinion. It is just that. Your opinion. You don't get to demand that the rest of us meekly submit to your political views. I most certainly don't.

[ListeningQuietly]

Recent scenes from Portland just unbelievable
That depends on whose news you have been reading.

The vast majority of Portland was as lovely and peaceful and chilled as ever right through the protests

Even a few blocks away from the courthouse life was totally normal
with kids riding scooters along sidewalks with their grandparents in tow

[BovaryX]

But in the centre a guy is hauled out of his car and beaten senseless while there are no cops around? Just great.

[ListeningQuietly]

But in the centre a guy is hauled out of his car and beaten senseless while there are no cops around? Just great.
Just another day in 'murica
At least the cops did not turn up and kneel on his neck

Its clear that you think Trump will be better than Biden.
That is fine.
Pence has always been a great supporter of Women's rights
what could possibly go wrong

[merrymouse]

They won't have seen Trump 4 executive orders to try and get money into their pockets as Nancy Pelosi tried to get unrelated items into the stimulus bill.

Do you think Trump has read the executive orders? Do you think he could explain them to another person?

This is a man who suggested that people should listen to a doctor who believes that endometriosis is caused by demons.

The only detail of the check that interests him is whether his signature can be printed on it.

[BelleHathor]

@BovaryX

xxyzz
You don't get to control what other posters write. You don't get to control how people who don't share your left wing cliches vote. You have a political opinion. It is just that. Your opinion. You don't get to demand that the rest of us meekly submit to your political views. I most certainly don't.

Thank you Bovary! I really don't care whether xxyxx thinks I'm a feminist or not. Hypocrisy seems to be the name of the game, #BelieveAllwomen #Metoo #Timesup except if your name is Tara Reade and your allegations are against Biden. Apologies if that means be criticising Dems though Kamala seemed to believe some of Bidens accusers.

[Goosefoot]

@merrymouse

You and many others are talking as if Trump is some weird aberration, that he popped out of thin air, and once he's gone it will all go back to normal.•

No, I don’t think that is what is being suggested at all.

Trump is where he is because the Republican Party are happy to have the hand of an amoral con man signing legislation as long as he is their amoral conman. He and his enablers won’t suddenly vanish.

The Democrats are not magic.

However, wishing for a third non existent alternative is pointless when the election is in 2 months.

The US (and by extension the rest of the world) would be severely damaged by 4 more years of Trump, who would feel that his actions since 2016 (Siding with dictators, pardon as reward for loyalty, bare faced lies, racist comments) had been endorsed.

Biden is an imperfect sticking plaster, but at the moment that is all there is.

Trump is not a Republican phenomena. The Democrats have been just as committed to globalist neoliberalism. If they weren't, there would have been something else on offer for people to vote for in the past 40 years.

If anything, the party has a stronger grip on that then the Republicans do.

The Democrats are supposed to offer regular people and workers policies and candidates who will protect their interests. They have abandoned that job. Until they take a hard look at themselves and back away from that, the problem won't be solved.

Will that happen if people elect Biden?

[ListeningQuietly]

Will that happen if people elect Biden?
Maybe
but it certainly will NOT if they elect Trump

[merrymouse]

Trump is not a Republican phenomena. The Democrats have been just as committed to globalist neoliberalism

Trump is neither committed to globalist neoliberalism nor fighting globalist neoliberalism. He isn't committed to anything, except saving his own skin.

The Democrats are supposed to offer regular people and workers policies and candidates who will protect their interests. They have abandoned that job. Until they take a hard look at themselves and back away from that, the problem won't be solved.

Will that happen if people elect Biden?

No, but they might still live in a country whose democratic institutions are intact and whose leader hasn't made a living providing branding for dodgy con tricks and money laundering. They might have a leader who attends intelligence briefings and who doesn't naturally side with Putin, Duda and Bolsinaro.

Trump would have been as willing to stand as a Democrat as a Republican, and if Trump were the incumbent Democrat president, leading a compromised Democrat Party I would be making the same arguments.

[merrymouse]

The Democrats are supposed to offer regular people and workers policies and candidates who will protect their interests.

Actually, I am going to change my answer to 'yes'. I don't think either party can solve all the problems of American citizens - many of the problems are global and require international co-operation.

But I think BOTH parties will be in a better place to offer regular people and workers policies and candidates who will protect their interests if Trump is voted out of office.

To vote in Trump again, is to endorse corruption and incompetentence.

[BovaryX]

Thank you Bovary! I really don't care whether xxyxx thinks I'm a feminist or not. Hypocrisy seems to be the name of the game, #BelieveAllwomen #Metoo #Timesup except if your name is Tara Reade and your allegations are against Biden

Belle precisely. The hypocrisy is off the charts. The arrogance of the Robespierre faction, the belief that women are only allowed to vote the Dem ticket? That we should just submit to the hectoring, finger wagging from Mount Moral Highground? Nope. No sale.