Kamala Harris

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... has been selected as Joe Biden's running mate.

Important for all sorts of reasons I feel

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1293281838337871875?s=20

Who do you work for?
Hey xxyzz just to remind you what you said to me.
Along with a suggestion I was astroturfing.

And then, instead of apologising, you get snarky because I took the piss?

And now you want to have a conversation?

Not going to happen my friend.

Goodnight.

If you think Biden is the problem,

And actually, I'm not sure how you got this from what I said.

The problem is there has been no alternative political option since the early 80s.

You and many others are talking as if Trump is some weird aberration, that he popped out of thin air, and once he's gone it will all go back to normal. He's not an aberration, he's the result of the way both parties have been managing the country for a generation.

Going back to doing the same thing is not going to produce a new better outcome.

You and many others are talking as if Trump is some weird aberration, that he popped out of thin air, and once he's gone it will all go back to normal.•

No, I don’t think that is what is being suggested at all.

Trump is where he is because the Republican Party are happy to have the hand of an amoral con man signing legislation as long as he is their amoral conman. He and his enablers won’t suddenly vanish.

The Democrats are not magic.

However, wishing for a third non existent alternative is pointless when the election is in 2 months.

The US (and by extension the rest of the world) would be severely damaged by 4 more years of Trump, who would feel that his actions since 2016 (Siding with dictators, pardon as reward for loyalty, bare faced lies, racist comments) had been endorsed.

Biden is an imperfect sticking plaster, but at the moment that is all there is.

I am tempted to suggest some alternative sources for xxyzz starting with Andy Ngo, James Lindsay, Thomas Sowell, Coleman Hughes, might be useful. Tucker Carlson monologue might trigger a total meltdown...
www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/wokeness-old-religion-in-new-bottle/

Floisme - how convenient.

So no, you don't have any solutions. And aren't interested in finding any. You just want US voters not to vote for the only alternative to Tump because...?

As you're not going to fill in that gap, I'll draw my own (obvious) conclusions.

Andy Ngo = LOL

www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

xxyzz

Voters in the US will make their electoral sources irrespective of mumsnet. If those choices cause shock and awe in the usual suspects, that will be because of the echo chamber mindset which you, xxyzz are doing a stellar job of representing on this thread. Do you imagine the Antifa clowns in Portland are good PR for Team Biden? You might not have seen their antics, but millions of US voters who don't rely on NBC, CNN et al have done.

electoral choices

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/identity-politics-has-shattered-america-h395p3gzs

Might add to the debate, but maybe not. Division is part of the package nowadays and is absolutely necessary for hard left politics.

Do you imagine the Antifa clowns in Portland are good PR for Team Biden?
Don't you mean the wall of Moms in their cycle helmets
and the wall of Dads with their leaf blowers
as that is what the reputable new sources across the country picked up on
and that is why Trump decided not to send the Feds into the other Democrat run cities

BovaryX don't you know they are just "peaceful protests", it's simply unfortunate that 30 people have died, that previously anti gun advocates are buying guns because they are so scared.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=BbKvhnLoV0Q

BovaryX - happy to read suggestions if you post links, don't have time to search google for relevant works by those you named.

No idea why you think I might have a 'total meltdown' at the Spiked article you linked to. I found I moderately interesting, and its key hypothesis fairly convincing. Were you under the impression I was 'woke'? If so, think you have got the wrong end of the stick!

If anything, I recognise in Floisme's refusal to accept compromise over the election similar tendencies to those described in the article. No, Biden and Harris aren't perfect, but this need for people to be perfect or we must cast them out is exactly what's being described in this article.

I am more of a pragmatist. My point was that US voters currently have two choices. No more. And of the two, Biden and Harris present the better choice for democracy long term (arguably the only choice), as well as the better (not the perfect) choice for female voters in this election.

Yes, I despair of many aspects of Biden/Harris's programme, as far as women's rights are concerned. But they are better than the alternative.

And in a two-horse race, that is the only thing that matters.

So desperate are people to commandeer minority status that Elizabeth Warren, briefly the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, took a DNA test to show that she was between 1/1,024 and 1/64 Native American Indian, explaining to the public in 2018 that one of her great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great (great?) grandparents was indigenous. In a society based on shared interests, this toenail of DNA would have been irrelevant. In today’s America, based on every kind of difference, it was endlessly portentous

Quite. Tucker Carlson is making these points night after night whilst his viewing figures continue to reach new heights. Millions of people are watching Carlson eviscerate the identity politics mania which has colonised the Dems. Meanwhile, scenes of looting, burning buildings and violent disorder in Democrat run cities may not make CNN, but millions are watching them on social media.....

And yes, I recognise that FWR is largely populated by like-minded thinkers, so the hope that I might be a woke outsider, to give you someone to preach to must be appealing.

Unfortunately, if you check my posting history, I'm afraid it'll disappoint you to discover I've been GC on here for years.

Belle

It's quite incredible. How do these violent clowns imagine this plays to most voters?

that previously anti gun advocates are buying guns because they are so scared

Yes. And former Dem voters are openly saying on Twitter that this violent disorder and its apologists are like a campaign advert for Trump....

I'm still seeing a lack of solutions, BovaryX.

You think the Dems should be less focused on identity politics. Not rocket science.

And you plan to do this how? Is your solution voting for Trump instead, to...erm...teach the Dems a lesson?

What??? What solutions do you have?

xxyzz If you doubt my motives for being here then I suggest you do your public duty and report me to MNHQ.

I'll wait.

xxyzz

Lack of solutions? You accuse a respected, regular poster of 'astroturfing' for expressing her opinions and you don't seem to grasp that in a democracy, people are allowed to vote Republican. Especially when the chaos, disorder and violence which has been going on for months, along with the 'defund the cops' BS is alienating millions of Dem voters and independents.

Loving the GOP video compilation
so balanced

Identity politics was thought up by the right to make the left eat itself.
Sooner or later the penny will drop.
the Olympics would have speeded up the process but hey ho

But Trump is an existential threat to all of us
therefore it is not sensible to vote for him

I am concerned that a) women will ultimately be much worse off with a Trump victory than a woke Democrat victory.

And b) I am concerned that those voices which attack radical feminism as merely a sub-group of the far-right/funded by the far right are being given ammunition by posts like yours, BovaryX.

I am firmly left-wing. Radical feminism is a fundamentally left-wing movement. It is about equality for women. No movement which supports putting Trump back in power is feminist, and it is disingenuous to pretend that you support women's rights while also attacking the only opposition that exists to Trump.

In a two-horse race, I will continue to be very sceptical about anyone who claims to be feminist yet wants to ensure through their actions that Trump wins the election.

Floisme - do you have anything to say on the topic? I'm not actually very interested in you, the poster, and doubt anyone else is either.

If you have a solution that isn't 'Well, vote Trump', then spit it out.

I've been posting on MN for 17 years btw (under about 50 different names) so couldn't give a shit if you've been here for 7.

You don't win arguments by claiming to be MN royalty. You win them by having something to say.

I'm still waiting.

BovaryX - ditto. Couldn't care less how 'respected' a poster is. That call to authority don't impress me much.

Again, as far as I can see, your so-called 'solution' = Vote Trump.

If that's what you want to say, just say it. Be open.

Then we can judge.

And yes, I will judge.