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Kamala Harris

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Xanthangum · 11/08/2020 21:48

... has been selected as Joe Biden's running mate.

Important for all sorts of reasons I feel

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1293281838337871875?s=20

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ForgotAboutThis · 12/08/2020 09:54

As per usual a woman candidate is held to an impossibly high standard, and for men lower the bar all the way to the basement. She's having every policy decision she has ever made scrutinised, as well as every element of her and her family's personal life. And meanwhile, Trump carries on being... Trump.

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RosieHen · 12/08/2020 10:01

Does she know what a woman is I wonder... I guess we'll find out soon enough

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OvaHere · 12/08/2020 10:33

Does she know what a woman is I wonder... I guess we'll find out soon enough

I'm fairly sure she does but as a Democrat from California she will toe the party line on this one.

What I'm gathering from reading in various places is that she was probably brought on board to appeal to more centrist/swing voters.

She doesn't seem popular with the left of the party because of her former AG record. Those people were never in danger of voting Republican or third party though.

It's going to be an interesting election to watch that's for sure. Being realistic there's a chance Harris could end up taking the top spot if Biden's health were to fail. I don't mean that as a slight, it's the same with Trump/Pence - it's more of a consideration with candidates their age. Normally VP's don't seem to make much of an impact but I think the stakes are a bit higher with this one.

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nauticant · 12/08/2020 11:09

That's how I read it OvaHere. In these highly polarised times selecting one candidate over another means appealing to certain groups of voters while turning off others. It's interesting that the Biden campaign see centrist/swing voters, including a lot of women who gritted their teeth and voted for Trump, as having more value than the SJW/left/woke grouping.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 12/08/2020 12:19

Don’t know why my post was deleted. It’s absolutely the truth and widely reported on in the US. It’s not a slur, not made up, and not an impossible standard to expect women to succeed based on merit and intelligence instead of other means.

As USA Today wrote:
“Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown addressed his past relationship with Sen. Kamala Harris in a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday and acknowledged giving her appointments that furthered her career.”
From eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

It’s ridiculous for us to turn a blind eye to women like Harris and pretend she got ahead fairly.

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Tanith · 12/08/2020 12:53

Of course, Trump and Pence were vestal virgins, glowing with the shiny purity of their halos...Hmm

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JamieLeeCurtains · 12/08/2020 13:03

literally slept her way up

I don't think you mean 'literally' there. It's a metaphor, so you should use 'figuratively'.

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ForgotAboutThis · 12/08/2020 13:11

God forbid we turn the light on gross men who use career enhancement as a bargaining chip to get women to have sex with them.
No, let's just call her a sl#t and say she's not fit for the job.

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ForgotAboutThis · 12/08/2020 13:19

Also, in that article it's pointed out that he was 60 and she was 29 when they dated, over 2p years ago. And his help, that he claims, was support with 2 appointments to positions that she then worked. He also says he helped several other politicians over the years. So who is the real villian in this?
As I said, women are held to a standard that no one holds men to.

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Maduixa · 12/08/2020 13:46

Don’t know why my post was deleted. Yeah, you do. You'll have had a message from MNHQ explaining it, in case you missed it. Your post was most likely deleted because it was defamatory. It won't have been deleted JUST for being misogynist, racist, Anti-American, and pig-ignorant - but I read it before it was deleted, and it was all of those things, too.

It’s absolutely the truth and widely reported on in the US. It’s not a slur, not made up, and not an impossible standard to expect women to succeed based on merit and intelligence instead of other means.

You alleged that Kamala Harris has no value but that which she acquired via a relationship with a man, which you claim she engineered for profit. It's "the truth" that she had a relationship with Willie Brown - she doesn't deny it - but what are you suggesting? Only an asexual/virgin woman can be a politician - even thought any heterosexual man can be? Or only a woman who takes very great care to only become involved with powerless men?

Are we going to erase Alex Salmond because he married his boss - or Manu Macron because he married his teacher? Do you have proof that Harris didn't care about Brown and deliberately engineered a personal relationship with him for profit -- even though the public record shows that Brown routinely promoted black Californians and especially black Californian women with legal backgrounds (including many he was not personally involved with) - drawing on his own experience graduating from Hastings (also Harris's alma mater) in the early '60s and finding himself unemployable as a lawyer in California BECAUSE he was black? You do NOT have that proof, because it isn't true.

You're no feminist, and you understand exactly nothing about being a black woman in San Francisco in the '90. Based on how flagrantly misguided your nonsense is, I'm also going to guess that you don't EVEN have a vote in the US election this November at all.

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SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 12/08/2020 13:47

This article from a US LBGT news website is pretty informative in terms of her actions for/against LGBT so far.


www.washingtonblade.com/2020/08/11/harris-as-vp-pick-brings-diversity-lgbtq-ally-to-biden-ticket/

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CharlieParley · 12/08/2020 13:54

[quote BelleHathor]Tulsi said it best during the debates last year. This election will be a doozy, her pick satisfies establishment Dems/Donors and Twitter blue ticks but fails to read the electorate again (just like the shenanigans pulled on Bernie in 2016 and Tulsi this cycle)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=o1-CRrMDSLs
m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNWZTFgaqg
www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/8/30/20840530/tulsi-gabbard-dnc-september-debate-exclusion
www.businessinsider.com/dnc-made-it-impossible-tulsi-gabbard-make-the-next-debate-2020-3?amp&r=US&IR=T[/quote]
Could you please elaborate a bit more?

I thought KH is a good choice. But I'm also aware, after living in the States, that our media doesn't really seem to represent US politics fairly, fully or competently. So I don't understand the ins and outs as well as I'd like.

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ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 14:39

Kamala is a brilliant pick.

Both of her parents are immigrants

  • so no Southern States baggage on her dad's side

and the South Asian links will bring in the money
She's pro Law and Order so Trump cannot play that card
She's west coast which will be useful
and she's moderate enough to help get the swing states.

What her niece says is irrelevant.
What jobs her ex boyfriends did is irrelevant.
HER Achievements in the last few years is why she's got a good chance of being the next Vice President
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Delphinium20 · 12/08/2020 16:23

The next 3 months are going to be ugly - US politics in the age of Trump have not yet hit rock bottom but if the instigators have already infiltrated a feminist post on UK MN, we can only expect it to get worse. @NearlyGranny Thanks for reporting.

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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 12/08/2020 16:23

@ListeningQuietly

Kamala is a brilliant pick.

Both of her parents are immigrants
  • so no Southern States baggage on her dad's side

and the South Asian links will bring in the money
She's pro Law and Order so Trump cannot play that card
She's west coast which will be useful
and she's moderate enough to help get the swing states.

What her niece says is irrelevant.
What jobs her ex boyfriends did is irrelevant.
HER Achievements in the last few years is why she's got a good chance of being the next Vice President

I agree.

Unfortunately, one of the things she has done is block DNA analysis for a wrongfully convicted man facing the death penalty...

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ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 16:33

Dududu
She is and has always been against the death penalty.
She has to work within the legal framework (which is broken)
But has a chance to change it now
(hopefully)

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BelleHathor · 12/08/2020 16:59

CharlieParley That debate happened last year and Tulsi called Kamala out for defending her record as a prosecutor even though approx 1500 Black and Hispanic people were jailed for low level Marijuana offences. There were also many incidences where evidence that could have freed innocent inmates was purposefully withheld only being released when forced by judges.
It speaks to Kamala's integrity. When she ran for president last year she attempted to "rebrand" as progressive, as stated in this NYT article from last year: "With the growing recognition that prosecutors hold the keys to a fairer criminal justice system, the term “progressive prosecutor” has almost become trendy. This is how Senator Kamala Harris of California, a likely presidential candidate and a former prosecutor, describes herself. But she’s not." www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html
www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-ag-office-tried-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-for-cheap-labor
theappeal.org/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record-killed-her-presidential-run/
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/kamala-cop-record/596758/

What I mean by failing to read the electorate is that the DNC have managed to run a ticket including the architect of 1994 Crime Bill: Biden (Which disproportionately led to the jailing of Black and Hispanic men) and someone who as a prosecutor was nicknamed "Top Cop" in the same year that people have been protesting for BLM. They've managed to piss off the Bernie Bros and African Americans who support ADOS (American Descendants of Slavery en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Descendants_of_Slavery).

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ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 17:08

Sanders is like Corbyn
A remote idealist whose ideas have never been tested
his devotees think he can walk on water
the experience of Corbyn shows that pragmatists are what is needed in high office

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FireUnderTheHand · 12/08/2020 18:00

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xxyzz · 12/08/2020 18:41

I liked her anyway.

Very pleased she's been chosen. The link someone posted upthread from a US LGBTQ site noted that she was very pro-LGB rights but was less into the T.

I'm very wary of posters appearing on here trying to argue that Harris might be bad for women. I don't think it's women saying that. Hmm It's not rocket science - she is clearly a million times better for women than Trump or Pence.

No contest. Plus she has a high likelihood of then being the first female US President, which is pretty cool for women.

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NearlyGranny · 12/08/2020 18:50

Well, Harris is reportedly a transphobe and a trans ally, depending who you believe! It will be interesting to see how she shapes up if elected. The Trump campaign is painting her as far left while those to the left are disappointed at her not being left enough but too much in the middle. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Never was it more true that you can't please all of the people! Rather like Obama 12 years ago, expectations of her are sky high, and she is doomed to disappoint some. Luckily, she seems smart enough and tough enough to persist despite the slings and arrows already coming her way.

All being well Covid-wise I plan to be in the States at election time (deep in Trump territory!) and I look forward to an exciting time there. 😳

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NearlyGranny · 12/08/2020 18:57

I listened to this hot-off-the-mike Anericast on Kamala Harris this afternoon which might be a good starting point for those who want to know a bit about her.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08nd5x8

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FireUnderTheHand · 12/08/2020 21:40

Nice, my post was deleted and why? From what I can tell it did not violate the Talk Guidelines - I have never had this issue before.

I am an American who is affected by the political system here and disagree with both parties. It is all a bunch of white old dudes playing circle jerk with other people's lives - lives that mostly will never experience the wealth and privilege they enjoy (KH as a VP pick was just strategic - it was stated as a fact many times that he was picking specifically a black woman as a running mate - not the best candidate but a candidate based on demographics first with credentials being the second consideration). For the record, KH is more than educated enough, successful enough, rich enough, etc. to fit the bill - she is more than capable of the VP position... more capable than Biden in regards to presidency IMO but still a bad choice for women. The people that support them when it is so completely obvious that it is all about prestige, money, and power and has zero to do with the remaining 97% of the population's needs (FYI, KH is in the 3% due to being able to work her way in - and I think that is wonderful for her and her family) are willfully blind. The truth is the 3% don't care about us or our needs unless it is a soundbite that serves their agenda. LESS THAN 10% OF AMERICAN HOUSEHOLDS QUALIFY AS 'COMFORTABLE'... that speaks volumes.

But yeah let's totally keep electing elites with great privilege in education, job access (IT IS about who you know here, not what you are capable of), more $$ in their accounts than thousands of normal Americans combined, and have corporations as their overlords. Rich people pander to rich people to stay rich and keep the poor, poor... so that they have the worker bees to do their bidding (scrub their toilets, raise their kids, carry their garbage away, wait on them, etc.) not hard to understand.

Biden and Harris both have contributed directly to mass incarceration of minorities - all for the industrial for-profit prison complex. This greatly contributes to wealth disparities - in every community.

Those that believe KH will be better than any of the other political entrenched wealth-supported virtue signaling wokerati either have no skin in the game or no commitment to Women's Sex-based Rights. I live here these laws affect my day-to-day and considering I voted for Obama in both elections only to be slighted by his 'being nice' in regards to gender identity I have a very strong position. I have no regrets about voting for him and am very happy with a great deal of what he accomplished but incredibly disheartened about his rollback of sex-based rights.

KH's vocal support of gender identity being ratified into law - effectively erasing sex-based protections - did none of you read her policy site when it was up?

I devour every candidate's policies in order to be well informed. Tulsi while not well received was our best option for Dem candidate IMO but she didn't fit the far left's identity politics as she exists in material reality (she's Samoan and isn't included in identity politics through the 'acceptable' lens, she isn't LGBTQ++, and she doesn't subscribe to TWAW). And while I disagree with Tulsi's previous stance on gay marriage at least she hasn't lost the plot and sees why gay marriage is important and necessary. But, she still acknowledges and supports sex-based rights in tandem with LGB rights and Trans rights as a separate but equal category.

Those that can't see what I am saying are buying into this corrupt system that has oppressed women (black women especially, who are used as a tool of manipulation - subhuman to be shit on and used in every arena) since inception. Mind blowing considering the history of black women throughout US history (most notably in the Civil War as they were quite effective in fighting for the freedom enslaved blacks. Mary Bowser's espionage was likely the greatest asset to the Union above and beyond the soldiers; after being freed she willingly posed as a slave in the Confederate White House to carry out the espionage that she and her former 'owner' abolitionist Bet Van Lew (daughter of 'owner' that inherited Mary) formulated and carried out in genius ways ultimately providing General Grant with insanely important intel greatly contributing to the fall of the Confederacy.

KH now makes jokes about marijuana but she has quite a record of prosecuting marijuana (possession) charges, she championed a law that literally put parents in jail for schoolchild truancy, ignored police abuse when there are well known cases of Californian corrupt police departments and police departments that engaged in the rape and abuse of many young women. She chose to focus on apps that facilitate prostitution rather than prosecuting policemen that abused as well as took part in trafficking and rape of young women because they weren't important to her platform (they would have damaged it for sure as the AG) - the optics of the app were bigger and more 'sensational' and most importantly (for her) did not alienate her from the police and wealthy elites.

I don't care what KH's demographics mean to the wider population... I care about her positions on policy and how the translation of those positions will affect the most marginalized/downtrodden/abused in our already corrupt society (women, children, MH patients, etc.). It is important that girls have representatives they can look up to - so they can imagine themselves in those roles but not to the detriment of their sex-based rights. Female DV survivors, rape survivors, et al being forced to share spaces with men that 'feel like women' - is a travesty, a tragedy, an inhumanity that is beyond the pale eroding boundaries and diffusing any possibility of them speaking out ... females and transgender individuals need to be afforded the same safety/dignity/boundaries so they need their own separate spaces.

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ListeningQuietly · 12/08/2020 21:50

Fireunder
But yeah let's totally keep electing elites with great privilege in education, job access
Chillax dude
You have to start from where you are not where you want to be
and the US has to move on from having elected Trump

Comedians and outsiders might make nice headlines
but the boring shit of running FEMA is what makes a good US leader

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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 12/08/2020 21:50

@ListeningQuietly

Dududu
She is and has always been against the death penalty.
She has to work within the legal framework (which is broken)
But has a chance to change it now
(hopefully)

She blocked access to the DNA testing that later exonerated Kevin Cooper.

I’m a big believer in judging people by actions rather than words.

Harris is a bad pick for this moment in time, doesn’t matter how accomplished or clever she is.
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