William Shatner

[Dragonglass]

Has anyone seen William Shatner's twitter? He is arguing against the use of cis and how it is an insult. He seems to be doing quite well too.

Trouble is, 'heterosexual' is in the process of being stripped of meaning.

I do feel for the poor sods who don't feel like the sexual orientation words describe them - I'm one of them, ffs! - but that doesn't mean the words and concepts themselves are outdated or offensive or just plain wrong. It means our society is pulling such a headfuck on young people that they can't connect to the concepts.

"I'd rather appear to be accepting and inclusive" - well, that says it all, doesn't it? All about the appearances.

@TyroSaysMeow

"I'd rather appear to be accepting and inclusive" - well, that says it all, doesn't it? All about the appearances.

Indeed.

What is wrong with saying cis and trans to describe whether or not you identify with the gender you were born with?

Sex is the biological reality of every mammalian body (including homo sapiens). We reproduce sexually, we are a sexually dimorphic species.

Gender is the cultural construction of what it is thought to be male or female, usually indicated by "masculine" and "feminine"

Gender is historically, culturally, and geographically specific.

Gender roles and the system of gender roles is an oppressive hierarchy, serving to establish & maintain the dominance of sexed males over sexed females.

No-one is born with a gender. We are born as sexed animals; gender is the cultural control of women.

@DialSquare

I know this has been said many times before but I'm always bemused by the people who demand we all respect a persons lived experience and call them what they want be called but don't feel the respect should go both ways when being told we don't accept Cis.

Absolutely agree

Therefore, does ‘cis’ have use at all for humans outside of academia? For example to use another dysmorphia. Do we call people without anorexia ‘non-anorexic’ people?

This with bells on. I can only see the use for 'cis' within academia. It's a purely academic word. Has no bearing on reality and is an attention-seeking descriptor when used by the masses. Makes me cringe.

@Spinachfinger

Therefore, does ‘cis’ have use at all for humans outside of academia? For example to use another dysmorphia. Do we call people without anorexia ‘non-anorexic’ people?

This with bells on. I can only see the use for 'cis' within academia. It's a purely academic word. Has no bearing on reality and is an attention-seeking descriptor when used by the masses. Makes me cringe.

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@Spinachfinger

Therefore, does ‘cis’ have use at all for humans outside of academia? For example to use another dysmorphia. Do we call people without anorexia ‘non-anorexic’ people?

This with bells on. I can only see the use for 'cis' within academia. It's a purely academic word. Has no bearing on reality and is an attention-seeking descriptor when used by the masses. Makes me cringe.

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@TyroSaysMeow

I'm accepting at heart as well. Unlike a lot of people on here. Website's name should be changed to transphobic net.

@Spinachfinger

Do you accept the fact that I'm cis. You can't really if you tell me that my identity belongs only in academia.

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

Do you accept the fact that I'm cis. You can't really if you tell me that my identity belongs only in academia.[/quote]
You can call yourself what you want, just don't expect everyone to joyfully accept that label in relation to themselves. You can't force anyone to use it either. I am not a subset of my own sex thank you very much. Woman will do, just like it has for millennia.

It's not transphobic to reject the tenets of transgenderism, any more than it's Muslim-phobic to reject the tenets of Islam.

It does irk rather, when people who've never given it a moment's thought beyond the desire to be kind to their mates, come along and tell people who've been personally grappling with this ideology for decades that we're being unkind and not inclusive for not bowing down to the newcomer's take on things.

@Spinachfinger

Fucking hell! I call myself cis around transsexual friends because they have had 'not trans' spat at them as a derogatory insult. How does that make me brainwashed?! I am just being sensitive to other people's feelings. I still consider myself a woman. I use cis as a descriptor, not a title or subset name. They don't mind me calling myself a woman either. Hell, I even call them women, because to call them men would misgender them and be offensive. I'm not going to suddenly start slagging the word cis of when I am one forum with other non trans people because I don't have a problem with using it in these circumstances and it would make me two faced.

@Littlemeadow123 let me put this another way.

Had you not been exposed to social media for the last decade, would you still define yourself as cis? I bet you wouldnt have even heard of it. So you would still call yourself a women. But oh look, we need another cult to join.

A lot of this BS is perpetuated on SM. I've known trans people, in the days before twitter/Facebook etc. It never once occurred to me to redefine myself on behalf of them. Funnily enough they were happy to go about their lives without making all these weird definitions up. Everyone knew "Christine" was a transvestite. Everyone knew "Eddie" enjoyed cross dressing. "Rachel" is a post-op transsexual. These are real people I knew. I never once thought I should re label myself on behalf of them nor did they ask people to. I used their proper pronouns out of respect but I'm a fairly liberal person. I would draw the line at being told I have to become a subset of my own class though.

It's weird how this bullshit wasn't a thing back then and now all of a sudden, social media says it is, so it MUST be true. Its fucking bollox and I'm surprised at the faux outrage it generates. You all sound like whiney babies with first world problems. How has being 'cis' affected your life prey tell? Bet it's no different than the way me being female has affected mine. I'll save my empathy for a more worthy cause, thanks.

Why is it offensive to call them men? Surely it is more accepting of them to accept them as the sex they are rather than pretend they are something they are not?

Personally, that doesn't sound very accepting.

Can't beat his version of Common People

@BaronessWrongCrowd

I'm not saying that anyone else should apply that label to themselves. Just don't give me abuse when I want to apply it to myself. Already on this thread I have been called brain washed, that I have zero self-respect, that I am a weak example of a woman.

@DickKerrLadies

My friend told me.a few years ago that he wanted to live as a woman and be referred to as a woman. So it would be unkind and offensive if I carried on calling him a man, if I addressed him by his male name instead of the female one he chose etc etc.

@AuntieMarys

Can't beat his version of Common People

It is awesome!

[quote Littlemeadow123]@BaronessWrongCrowd

I'm not saying that anyone else should apply that label to themselves. Just don't give me abuse when I want to apply it to myself. Already on this thread I have been called brain washed, that I have zero self-respect, that I am a weak example of a woman.[/quote]
And you've called us transphobes.

@Spinachfinger

It wasn't that long ago that we didn't use words like straight, bisexual, non-binary, asexual etc but we do now. I guess that we are all a brainwashed cult!

You are showing your true colours now darling.