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Dragonglass · 2020-08-04T16:57:44+00:00

Has anyone seen William Shatner's twitter? He is arguing against the use of cis and how it is an insult. He seems to be doing quite well too.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:34

[quote Littlemeadow123]@NoCisAllWoman

Or so being cis means that I am less of a woman. Do you know anything about the way cis people think or feel?[/quote]
You've taken something I've said and completely twisted it. Seems a common thing on social media these days. I can't even began to try and break down the logic of what you just asked me. I have no issue with calling you cis but it would never occur to me to do so and physically you probably have the same attributes as me

ItsLateHumpty · 05/08/2020 00:36

I’m loving Shattners’ twitter fire, he is not happy with cis

twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290771606118096896

julian @lazzarusrising
Replying to @WilliamShatner
This is disappointing as hell. Trans and cis are just descriptors, not categories of people. It’s on you if you think cis is a term of harassment 🤷🏻‍♂️

William Shatner @WilliamShatner
Why would you use “descriptors” like those in tweets towards others if it isn’t negative & exclusionary? Those are terms you certainly can use to self describe yourself & put in your bio, Calling someone a CIS man or CIS woman in a tweet means you’re trying to segregate them.

Princess Chino @AlienGhoullie
Replying to @WilliamShatner
Never would have thought you would be like this towards people who are different, didn't think all those years of teaching us how to accept aliens and life forms as part of the universe would come to not accepting people of our own species. What a let down

William Shatner @WilliamShatner
What a complete let down that people use that term mostly to harass I object to the labeling of others by the woke or whatever higher plain of thought you think you are a member of. You are getting upset at me for nonlabeling & demanding I label people? 🙄 Fine you are craycray 🤷🏼‍♂️

YgritteSnow · 05/08/2020 00:36

What is wrong with saying cis and trans to describe whether or not you identify with the gender you were born with?

Well I don't want to and that's that really.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:36

Oh sorry, I realise that wasn't a question aimed at me .

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:37

@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:40

[quote Littlemeadow123]@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?[/quote]
That the user doesn't accept cis. Woman is enough. But obviously in your world it was chosen to deliberately offend you. Must be exhausting for you.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:41

[quote Littlemeadow123]@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?[/quote]
That this is the Internet and people have different points of view to you?

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:42

@Spinachfinger

No, you wouldn't use the word cis to describe me in any of those circumstances. But if you wouldn't use the term gay, lesbian etc in those circumstances either but we still have labels for that. Why do I have to explain myself anyway? I'm not asking you to explain why you don't identify as cis. Live and let live.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:43

@Spinachfinger

Telling someone that how they identify makes them less of a woman? You wouldn't tell someone that being gay makes them less of a person would you?

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:45

@DialSquare

Doesn't accept Cis for herself? In which case, fair enough. Or doesn't accept people who identify as cis .

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:46

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

No, you wouldn't use the word cis to describe me in any of those circumstances. But if you wouldn't use the term gay, lesbian etc in those circumstances either but we still have labels for that. Why do I have to explain myself anyway? I'm not asking you to explain why you don't identify as cis. Live and let live.[/quote]
No, you're not asking me to explain myself but I think the word cis is best left in academia and not every day life.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:48

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

Telling someone that how they identify makes them less of a woman? You wouldn't tell someone that being gay makes them less of a person would you?[/quote]
Who said that?? I certainly didnt. I'm not sure how you've comprehended that from anything on this thread.

I think you're having us on.

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:48

Well I don't know about you but I was only thinking of myself when I chose my user name. What other people think of it is no concern to me.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:49

@Spinachfinger

It's not redundant when I'm with my trans friends or going to trans events. Because saying that I'm 'not-trans' or 'normal' is demeaning. Cis and Trans make us different but equal. And they are not going to try to steal the title of 'woman' away from us. As my trans friend said to me, that she is always going to be a transwoman. Nothing is going to change that.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:50

And if how you identify doesn't make you less of a woman.... then logic dictates the word 'woman' should be enough on it's own

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:51

@DialSquare

Well I don't know about you but I was only thinking of myself when I chose my user name. What other people think of it is no concern to me.

How dare you dial Square? Didn't you think about the poor Pentagon in any of this?

BluebonicPlague · 05/08/2020 00:53

Apologies, Littlemeadow123, weary is more like it. You know what? A few years ago I was cheerfully identifying as cis het AFAB. I followed PZ Myers, primarily for his atheism, and in the process learned a lot about trans* and how, back in those days, people pronounced it trans-splat. I was hugely sympathetic, and pretty contemptuous of stone age women who wouldn’t accept TW as women, actual women. I spent a lot of time trying to convince them that they should. It was nobody else’s business what was in someone’s pants.

Except it was. It was always male people telling female people what to do. To accept, make way, make room, shut up. Once you see that, you can’t unsee it. Men telling women. Yes, there are sympathetic female people, like I was, but the drivers are male. And so many women doing what they’re told.

So cis? These days, yes, I do give it a bit of the side eye.

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:54

It seems I'm shapephobic Spinach!

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:55

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

It's not redundant when I'm with my trans friends or going to trans events. Because saying that I'm 'not-trans' or 'normal' is demeaning. Cis and Trans make us different but equal. And they are not going to try to steal the title of 'woman' away from us. As my trans friend said to me, that she is always going to be a transwoman. Nothing is going to change that.[/quote]
I'm failing to see what is wrong with saying 'not-trans' when attending trans events. Surely it's just the opposite of 'trans'?

Also, if you say cis at these events you have decided to use that word to not alienate your trans friends. This is thoughtful of you.

But in every day occurrences, you probably wouldn't need to say it (unless you worked and lived in a trans dominated environment).... and even so what if you chose just to be labelled as 'woman'? Would they unfriend you? Genuinely curious.

AnneOfQueenSables · 05/08/2020 00:55

Much though it's fascinating re-affirming certainly posters sense of self (or is it self-importance) ... I'm much more interested in the tweets that the thread was started to discuss.
I hope Shatner doesn't cave. It would be nice to have a prominent member of sci-fi royalty refusing to be bullied into submission.
Does anyone know Patrick Stewart's position on these issues?

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:56

I always suspected @DialSquare

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:57

@Spinachfinger

I haven't tried to convince you to call yourself cis. I accept that you are not cis but you clearly cannot accept that I am. In fact, you are trying to convince me not ot be, despite preaching to me that I should accept and respect other people's choices and opinions. This argument isn't getting us anywhere so this is the last thing I'll say. It's now 1 in the morning so have a nice day.

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:59

I'd be surprised if he did cave looking at the way he's responding now. He's having fun with it. Like John Cleese but with a different approach.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 01:00

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

I haven't tried to convince you to call yourself cis. I accept that you are not cis but you clearly cannot accept that I am. In fact, you are trying to convince me not ot be, despite preaching to me that I should accept and respect other people's choices and opinions. This argument isn't getting us anywhere so this is the last thing I'll say. It's now 1 in the morning so have a nice day.[/quote]
I never said you had? I think you are reading things that aren't there LittleMeadow. And sure, if you can't answer logical questions put to you, then that's your lookout. Goodnight

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 01:02

@Spinachfinger

And just to add, no they wouldn't unfriendly me. They don't have a problem with the term 'woman' They are not out to steal that title from us. I still choose to use the term cis in day to day life because 'not trans' just sets my teeth on edge. I don't say 'not gay' for the same reason. It just sounds derogatory. And derogatory things don't stop being derogatory just because you are not around certain people.

Goodnight.