Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

[Kit19]

has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

@Ereshkigalangcleg

So common I'd say it was a feature not a bug.

I'd agree.

Me too.

I noticed from that missive/tirade from Foy, how Foy refers to Heather Peto as Heather and Rosie Duffield as Duffield.
Very telling IMHO.

Foy refers to Heather Peto as Heather and Rosie Duffield as Duffield.

The little tells.

This is a bit of an aside but

Does anyone agree that because the Stonewall umbrella now encompasses just about everyone who isn't female it will eventually eat its own head

I missed those twitter links when they were posted, and now they are gone? Or is it just me?

Oh dear, Labour are broken. Starmer must be hoping this goes away because as previously mentioned, Kent is Tory central and Lab lost loads of their northern seats so it appears they’re determined to lose Canterbury as well

I think Sir Keir is making a big strategic error by sitting on the fence on many key issues that lost Labour the last election. Now may not seem like the time to have big internal battles over key policy areas such as immigration, criminal justice, trans rights etc, but these policies will need to be decided upon at some point. The closer and closer to an election we get before these decisions are made and lines drawn in the sand the uglier the fights will become and the bigger the risk that the next manifesto ends up just looking like another set of activists’ ransom notes.

@TheRealMcKenna

I think Sir Keir is making a big strategic error by sitting on the fence on many key issues that lost Labour the last election. Now may not seem like the time to have big internal battles over key policy areas such as immigration, criminal justice, trans rights etc, but these policies will need to be decided upon at some point. The closer and closer to an election we get before these decisions are made and lines drawn in the sand the uglier the fights will become and the bigger the risk that the next manifesto ends up just looking like another set of activists’ ransom notes.

This.

He needs to move away from Momentum identity bollocks and Momentum purity politics bollocks.

TheRealMcKenna

Absolutely, and to see Rosie being bullied by lobby groups and student groups within the party while starmer stays silent is just awful.

im hoping he has some kind of strategy to deal with this but I dont envy him

The party has committed itself to self ID and I dont know how he's going to get it to row back from that. We know from other divisive issues that confronting it head on will enable people to paint him as anti LGBT and transphobic. I mean look how most people are still hurling transphobe at JKR without having bothering to read a thing she wrote

although more people are aware of issues around self ID and conflict with women's rights, not enough are. To most people it's a non issue - they think of it as a trans issue i.e. hardly affects anyone rather than a womens rights issue i.e. affects over 50% of the population. Although much sunlight has been poured in, an awful lot more will need to be

The trouble is 'slowly slowly backee party away from self ID' is a long term piece of work, and the news and events dont follow the timetables politicians would like so he'd better have a plan if it explodes!

in the meantime some statements about how he is against bullying women for their views would be a start!

@Kit19

im hoping he has some kind of strategy to deal with this but I dont envy him

The party has committed itself to self ID and I dont know how he's going to get it to row back from that. We know from other divisive issues that confronting it head on will enable people to paint him as anti LGBT and transphobic. I mean look how most people are still hurling transphobe at JKR without having bothering to read a thing she wrote

although more people are aware of issues around self ID and conflict with women's rights, not enough are. To most people it's a non issue - they think of it as a trans issue i.e. hardly affects anyone rather than a womens rights issue i.e. affects over 50% of the population. Although much sunlight has been poured in, an awful lot more will need to be

The trouble is 'slowly slowly backee party away from self ID' is a long term piece of work, and the news and events dont follow the timetables politicians would like so he'd better have a plan if it explodes!

in the meantime some statements about how he is against bullying women for their views would be a start!

It's difficult because to tell the brutal truth there aren't at the moment enough people who are prepared to change their vote because of the issue. The Liz Truss announcements barely even trended on Twitter. I live in Layla Moran's constituency and in the end I'll still be voting for her because I will not vote Tory. Keir isn't going to alienate a huge chunk of the membership if it doesn't give Labour an electoral advantage.

What I think he should do is expand on the Emma Nicholson idea and announce that there's going to be a conference - EVERYONE included - and after that a committee including representatives from all sides will agree a party policy. That will seem transparently reasonable to everyone who isn't a TRA fanatic and they will absolutely hate it. Upon which Keir says "the policy will be determined by those who participate." Force them to justify their case.

@Siameasy

Oh dear, Labour are broken. Starmer must be hoping this goes away because as previously mentioned, Kent is Tory central and Lab lost loads of their northern seats so it appears they’re determined to lose Canterbury as well

It was a miracle they won Canterbury. The majority is only 1,836, borne out of the heat of Brexit and the fact that the Lib Dem candidate stood down so as not to split the remain vote. Greens didn't stand. Yes there's lots of students, but there always have been. It's a very easy seat to lose next time. It's instinctively conservative.

Keir isn't going to alienate a huge chunk of the membership if it doesn't give Labour an electoral advantage.

The thing is that whilst this issue may not be a ‘big thing’ for many Labour voters, it is a good litmus test of how far Sir Keir is prepared to stand against the loud activists if he wants to come anywhere near power.

This may not affect many votes but there are many policy areas, including (as I mentioned earlier) immigration, criminal justice and education where his activists may want policy positions that voters just won’t support. He seems to have finally ‘got it’ with regards to antisemitism, but there are more battles ahead. Leaving them until 2023 is not going to do him any favours.

It's the package. Self i-d does not appeal to the voters KS needs to win. Those voters view this as part of an out of touch party who no longer speaks for them. It doesn't need to be a major issue

I think Starmer has a massive dose of splinters from so much fence sitting. He really is a total coward and failure.

It was a miracle they won Canterbury. The majority is only 1,836, borne out of the heat of Brexit and the fact that the Lib Dem candidate stood down so as not to split the remain vote. Greens didn't stand. Yes there's lots of students, but there always have been. It's a very easy seat to lose next time. It's instinctively conservative.

They aren’t taking care at all are they? I didn’t realise the victory was that fragile. I can see Lab doing EVEN WORSE next time around.

@PotholeParadies

I like this one, for example...

Oh my. "I personally know LOADS of women, and none of them are worried that trans women have the exact same crime patterns as anyone else male, or have inherent wariness around male bodies whatever unprovable state of mind they assert, and are totally cool with opening all single sex provision of all kinds to male people! Because they're PROPER women, who know how to BE NICE TO MEN! And I know WHAT A WOMAN IS AND YOU AREN'T NICE ENOUGH TO BE ONE!"

Bless his self important, ignorant, deeply misogynist little self. His poor mother, though!

So many deletions ( all of tweets exposing his unthinking misogyny and wholesale ignorance) before he scuttled away and blocked. The bit where he lectures Jane Clare Jones on her flawed understanding of gender is particularly delicious.

That thread made my afternoon.

Leaving that aside, though - Rosie Duffield is massively more likely to retain a seat like Canterbury with a reasoned, calm, fair approach to gender and sex than she is with extremist misogyny. Most people support legitimate trans rights. They don't, however, support the abolition of women's rights. And it's a crying shame that Labour seem unable to discern the difference.

On the subject of mothers...

Leaving that aside, though - Rosie Duffield is massively more likely to retain a seat like Canterbury with a reasoned, calm, fair approach to gender and sex than she is with extremist misogyny.

Absolutely and they'll have zero chance of holding on to it with a candidate who is further left than her.

Angela Raynor was just on sky news and was asked about the abuse levelled at Rosie.

Angela offered no support to Rosie, instead she said Rosie should reflect on what she said, everyone should feel valid, section 28, blah blah blah.

Angela's position appears to be validation of men's feelings is more important than women and girls safety etc.

God I can't bloody STAND Angela Rayner.

Wasn't she the complete fuckwit who promised to keep a space on the (Opposition) benches warm for young Madigan?

Angela thinks madigan is a powerful role model

Then Angela has either never spoken to Madigan, or is thick as mince.

In neither case do I feel she's Deputy PM material.

For fucksake sake Rayner!! Honestly she’d be first there with the faggots if she could

Condemn the bullying, it’s not hard

“It’s important not to bully ppl even when we don’t agree” you see? Not difficult!

I'm assuming you mean sticks for burning there Kit? Wouldn't want your post to be taken out of context.