Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

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has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

Accept that there is no material conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, and that all trans women are subject to misogyny and patriarchal oppression

Accept and don't question. No thinking allowed.

Of course there is a friggin' "material conflict". This is everyday straight up Marxism: one group appropriating(colonising) the space of another quite distinct group and calling the shots.

Exactly, you know it, I know it, the Labour heartlands know it.
The Labour Party as it stands, has nothing in common with the working class, or even ordinary people who want to see change for the better for everyone.The Labour Party has put all it's chips on the tiny, identity politics pockets

Hannah Arendt in 'The Origins of Totalitarianism' talks about the way in which totalitarian movements, or which take on the shape of totalitarianism, effectively cushion themselves from everyday reality. The members of a movement ( 'movemen't being a key word) are first of all cushioned by sympathisers and allies - who repeat the slogans of the movement - and eventually lose touch altogether. they are no longer interested in everyday reality, but have their eyes permanently fixed on the distant goal - to which all energies are directed.

or those which start to take on the shape of totalitarian movements

I think a lot of the pile ons of Rosie JK and the Bishop, is because all three have made negative comments about Jeremy Corbyn. They were already targets of the hard left, Momentum.

As a former trade union activist and Labour Party activist, I am probably very left, but even I could see that JC was not to the taste of most of the country. Labour thought they had read the country and they were wrong. They are also wrong on this, but have doubled down. They need to listen and stop trying to get JC for leader again and attacking anyone who has ever disagreed with him. Listening to Momentum members, they think they own the MPs they door knocked to support. They cannot see anything past hard left, hence the situation where they are calling for the expulsion of life long party activists. There is no nuance with them.

@flippinfumin. Completely agree. It is coming from the far left and they are throwing accusations of prejudice towards the centre left mps. They want Starmer gone and a Richard Burgon type as leader.

@CLCB07 absolutely. I think this is why they are stirring the pot. They are determined to make Starmer pick a side, and they will pounce if he chooses the wrong side. They are like people poking a hornets nest. Anyone who doesn’t agree is to be cancelled. Never mind all the money JK donated to Labour, never mind all her charity work, never mind that she pays every single penny she should in tax, she is to be cancelled because she said something bad about Corbyn. He isn’t even the bloody leader anymore but still he must be defended.

I would say the TRAs come almost 100% from the hard left, and they are flippin radged! This is why they are allowed free reign, they are like naughty kids threatening the peace and quiet of the adult world where debate and reason should be the answer, not tantrums.

're Starmer choosing the 'wrong' side - I suppose they have him either way, don't they? Maybe this why he stays silent, like so many others.

Lisa Nandy isn't hard left and signed the trans pledge, I was going to vote for her in the leadership contest until she signed it. The silence from Keir Starmer and most of the party isn't good enough for me which is why I'm no longer a member.

To be honest I'm shocked how vicious they are and I've always voted Labour. The Momentum groups are calling for a vote of no confidence in Starmer over this and Barry Sheerman.

All this in fighting in Labour, Greens and Lib Dems is alarming and nauseating. They are all going to implode and in the end, it's the people that are going to suffer.

I don't know how the Kramer can allow this, tbh. His silence is showing he is weak.

It's only a matter of time before Keir Starmer is asked by the media 'what is a woman?'. If he waffles nonsense like Layla Moran, Jo Swinson etc then Labour are doomed.

Well, we know Starmer's answer, because he signed one of the pledges. Anyone who wants to be a woman can be a woman.

People can blame Momentum all they like, but the uncomfortable truth is that all leadership candidates supported self id, and all of them except KS signed the pledge that labelled Woman's Place UK a hate group and called for the organisers and others to be expelled from the party.

Six months ago Lisa Nandy explained to a hustings audience how she would put male sex offenders in a women's prison if that is their preference, because identity. Now she sits in the shadow cabinet.

Hm. If I was KS, I think I would have it out with them all, publically. It might actually be his only way out of this. 'Let's all stop pretending - men can't be women, grow up'. Reveal the emperor's new clothes. Sack the worst of them. Make it very clear there will be no pandering to extremists.

There would be wailing from certain quarters, but it would cauterise the festering sore, and the huge majority of the country would heave a sigh of relief and get on with the work of rebuilding after corona/Brexit.

Justhadathought
"they are no longer interested in everyday reality, but have their eyes permanently fixed on the distant goal - to which all energies are directed."

The magic crusade, which means you will remain unelectable for the forseeable future.

Agree ThePurported this isn't just a hard left issue, it's a left/liberal issue.

Accept that there is no material conflict between trans rights and women’s rights

Not getting why this gets repeated all the time when everyone knows its total bollocks. Even those who blindly accept it..if they think for just a few seconds, would get it. Mind, I guess they are specifically told not to think, just to repeat the mantra..

There doesn't have to be a conflict though of course. But there is with whats currently being asked for. Trans people could gain rights, and women would stand beside them, aslong as the rights are not basically snatched from women.

it's a left/liberal issue.

Yes!

But I do worry we're caught in an unholy pincer movement.

The left/liberal side of politics are trying to remove the language we need to talk about the ways our oppression is grounded in (but - importantly - not determined by) our biology.

The danger is that the right will accept biology, but then use it to argue erroneously for biological determinism (as a fallacious thought process correctly glossed as "contingent reproductive biology necessitates social role) to exclude us from the public realm once more. This seems to me to be a very real danger in a time when women are demonstrably being hit hardest by the threat of covid-related redundancies, partly because of being disproportionately likely to work in retail/customer facing service industries, and partly because the burden of childcare and home schooling has fallen on us disproportionately.

It's that Venn diagram again, isn't it?

The woke - biology is a social construct, gender identity is real.
The right - biology is real, but so too are rigid gender roles.
GC women - biology is real, gender identity is an illusion , gender roles are a social construct.

Sent her an email in support
And I vote conservative, this is bigger than how you vote. Let’s all support her pls

Marsha De Cordova is next in line for burning. She like the tweet by the Archbishop defending Rosie Duffield

@Thingybob

Marsha De Cordova is next in line for burning. She like the tweet by the Archbishop defending Rosie Duffield

The Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities. Promising.

Oh, and what was that about 'white feminism'?

YY DianasLasso, it's not a coincidence that the gender-over-sex agenda has been advanced under Conservative governments.

@BatShite

There doesn't have to be a conflict though of course. But there is with whats currently being asked for. Trans people could gain rights, and women would stand beside them, aslong as the rights are not basically snatched from women.

THIS. Equal rights and fair provision do not bring conflict; demanding WOMEN'S rights does.

De Cordova did? Brilliant!