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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

656 replies

Kit19 · 01/08/2020 15:50

has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

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BatShite · 03/08/2020 16:10

She's right, it is outdated, it's no longer needed for the purposes for which it was enacted.

I would agree with this. It is clearly outdated. Just not for the reason TRAs claim..

BatShite · 03/08/2020 16:12

Ugh, again in that article..

“The [current] process is extremely intrusive, incredibly bureaucratic, stressful and dehumanising,” said Kelley.

I would really love those who think its intrusive and stressful to get a doctors opinion..to try and have a PIP test. Truly, they haven't seen intrusive..I was asked flat out why I hadn't killed myself yet if I am in pain 24/7, apparently me being alive was proof I was perfectly fine and not ill at all Hmm

BatShite · 03/08/2020 16:14

I would be over the moon tbh if those tests changed to simply be a case of getting a couple of medical professionals opinions.

Collidascope · 03/08/2020 16:27

I'm sure it's less intrusive than a smear. In other countries, they've already got the urine home testing kits. Perhaps we could roll that out given how many women miss their smears and subsequently die of cancer.

Binterested · 03/08/2020 16:29

The [current] process is extremely intrusive, incredibly bureaucratic, stressful and dehumanising,” said Kelley

Really? It sounds relatively simple. About on a par with having an abortion although that is usually expensive as you may not be able to get it done on the NHS. But you also need two drs to approve - oh and have to walk through a phalanx of pro life protestors on your way to this life changing procedure.

Melroses · 03/08/2020 17:13

Yes it would be nice if they could streamline a few of the other expensive, bureaucratic and intrusive systems and procedures in place while they are at it.

CharlieParley · 03/08/2020 19:08

95% success rate.

Name me one other application to the state that can claim that success rate.

Or one other application to the state where the applicant has recourse to the unpaid assistance of a civil servant preparing their application, ensuring all required documents are there and files it for you.

It's less stressful and less intrusive than applications for disability benefits of any kind. Less stressful and much cheaper than divorce, adoption, planning permission and visa or citizenship applications.

Bureaucratic? In terms of adhering to procedure? Fair enough, but it is an application for a change in one's legal status. That there should be a process one ought to follow is hardly an imposition in that case.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 03/08/2020 19:10

Flowers Batshite.

Needmoresleep · 03/08/2020 21:00

Try applying for Attendance Allowance if you want intrusion.

What will happen when this lot get older.

Iamanaubergine · 03/08/2020 22:10

Spotted this tweet which links to an article article which tries to paint her in a poor light mobile.twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1290256684904939521

CharlieParley · 04/08/2020 00:31

I can't tell how many of the claims in that linked article are justified - much of Rosie Duffield's crime seems to have been not to slavishly agree with Corbyn when the CLP were outspoken Corbyn fans. And that she was chosen for that seat without the CLP having a say.

Just a few things that I do have an opinion on - the bit about Rosie Duffield's terrible time keeping was taken out of context from an interview where she talks about living with dyscalculia, a learning difficulty. To twist her frank account of her issues into a weapon against her is low.

My brother has dyscalculia and it really is a bugger to live with, just as RD describes. (But there are worse things of course.)

She is also criticised for not answering emails immediately and stating a back log of 18,000 emails by September. I emailed my MP after the 2017 GE, too, and received an auto reply from the House of Commons advising me that it would take considerable time for a new MP to catch up. Mine never did on my issue but to be fair by September it was no longer relevant. Hiring staff is not something a new MP can do prior to winning the election, it actually takes some time to put the team in place and yes, emails will back up in that time. I cannot judge whether 18,000 is unusual but let's say that's 90 days and about 200 a day. Most emails will require more than a two minute reply, many a substantial amount of time to deal with. (I contacted my MP on an issue once resulting in a letter sent to the HoC for information etc, easily more than an hour's work for a single, simple query.) So I think the author is aiming to shock with a huge number to imply RD isn't doing her job.

Hilariously much is made of her children attending a grammar school when Corbyn's offspring did too. But I guess the wife got the blame for that...

Anyway, I also don't agree with the grammar school system but if I got the chance to offer my kids that quality of education, I would take it. Hypocritical? Yes. But I don't believe I have the right to stand in the way of my children having a better future because of my personal beliefs.

There is also an insinuation that Rosie Duffield's claim of having been a single mum on tax credits was false. She made that claim in 2017 without specifying a time frame, the author of that hit piece disputes this by pointing out that in 2007 she was still living with the father of her children. From whom she undoubtedly did separate and after which she was indeed a working single mother. Although RD never claimed to be working class, the hit piece takes great pleasure in undermining her "working class credentials", particularly damaging apparently the fact that RD's ex-partners were teachers working at private schools.

The worst part of that piece is the passage where the author insinuates that RD's speech about experiencing domestic violence wasn't justified because a) she robbed her ex-partner of a right of reply due to having parliamentary privilege and b) she was an "able abuser" herself. Because she was a bit rude on social media.

That's the bit where you know the author is engaged in a smear campaign against RD. Parliamentary privilege does not prevent someone to disagree with what you said about them, and it doesn't prevent someone to go to the police either about being abused either. It prevents you from suing a politician for defamation for what they said about you in parliament but you do not lose your right to reply.

And to insinuate that what RD said about being abused isn't true because she was rude on social media is just vile.

There's probably loads more in that very very long piece that you'd need local knowledge to address, but these are the points that jumped out for me.

Of course that piece which got no traction the last two months is now going to be pushed mercilessly. Because RD knows only women have a cervix.

PotholeParadise · 04/08/2020 03:01

Next man not to be burnt- Captain Kirk!

Tonight he's just explained on twitter that it's offensive to call other people cis, in between bantering with good humour about his character starring in Star Trek slash fanfiction.

SetYourselfOnFire · 04/08/2020 05:17

William Shatner is a TERF. 🤣
Irvine Welsh too. And Richard K Morgan. Though he got banned from Twitter over it!

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/08/2020 08:23

I'm so happy about William Shatner. Grin Maybe he can have a word with George Takei...

PotholeParadise · 04/08/2020 10:47

He's trying hard to stay non-political but in this last week he's said he didn't like reddit because of the red-pill stuff. Also said it's not fair on real Karens to use their name as an insult and asked what the male equivalent was.

FloralBunting · 04/08/2020 11:31

Shatner has always been somewhat bullheaded. It's why Star Trek managed to have that interracial kiss, and for all George Takei's painful, dim headed woke shite, it was Shatner whose deliberate sabotage of every scene that shied away from kissing Nichelle Nichols meant that the original take stood. He's a difficult man at times, quite the ego, and not in the least bit afraid of looking a bit ridiculous (Please to be witnessing his record releases). I'm not at all surprised he knows what colour the sky is, but I'm also fairly confident Takei wouldn't have the slightest hesitation in calling him a dinosaur who needs to get with the programme.

ThePurported · 04/08/2020 11:37

Song of the day

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0

William Shatner - Common People

FloralBunting · 04/08/2020 11:48

I cannot express my delirious joy that you posted that ThePurported. If ever there was a case to be made for doing things that don't need doing, just because you can, and because they cause inexplicable belly laughs and glee, Shatner's musical career is that case Grin Grin Grin

ThePurported · 04/08/2020 11:57

Floral yep Grin
I'm dedicating it to the Luxury Communists Wine

andyoldlabour · 04/08/2020 12:04

"I would agree with this. It is clearly outdated. Just not for the reason TRAs claim.."

Exactly, it needs to address the concerns of the 51% first, in order that they do not suffer any disadvantages to the 0.1%.

Muttonindistress · 04/08/2020 12:15

Thank you for the song ThePurported. It’s one of my favourites (the original) so I was worried Captain Kirk would destroy it - but it’s weirdly brilliant.

NotBadConsidering · 04/08/2020 12:36

Duffield should just quit, force a by-election, and when a Tory regains the seat, ask Owen Jones if he still thinks she’s “pretending to be a courageous victim”.

StandUpStraight · 04/08/2020 15:54

Spectator has picked up the Rosie Duffield issue today

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-progressives-love-to-hate-rosie-duffield

“Duffield is central-casting Labour: single mother who survived on tax credits, teaching assistant turned soft-left MP, feminist, Remainer, gay rights supporter. She has spoken in Parliament about her experience of domestic abuse. Social democrats and liberals might see a fellow-traveller but progressives see a bigot, and therein lies a self-defeating dualism in their political imagination. To imagine Duffield as a right-wing oppressor is to designate large parts of the country as such; in doing so progressives define their politics as something at odds with the public whose consent they seek to govern.“

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/08/2020 15:58

progressives define their politics as something at odds with the public whose consent they seek to govern.

Which is why labour got their arses handed to them in the last GE.

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